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time_is_now
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« Reply #15 on: 21:54:30, 09-05-2007 »

El Cimarrón
Another one of which there's a new recording, out this month on Stradivarius (with Nicholas Isherwood).
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« Reply #16 on: 22:07:46, 09-05-2007 »

El Cimarrón
Another one of which there's a new recording, out this month on Stradivarius (with Nicholas Isherwood).
I've seen Nicholas Isherwood perform it twice, and he and more or less this same group have played it dozens of times. I find him a very impressive singer indeed, and this piece (which surprised me more than it ought to have done) as immediate and "relevant" as when it was written, if not more so.
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« Reply #17 on: 17:56:11, 11-05-2007 »

El Cimarrón
this piece (which surprised me more than it ought to have done) as immediate and "relevant" as when it was written, if not more so.
Richard - have you seen a score to El Cimarrón? How do you feel about its use of graphic notation?
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« Reply #18 on: 18:17:21, 11-05-2007 »

El Cimarrón
this piece (which surprised me more than it ought to have done) as immediate and "relevant" as when it was written, if not more so.
Richard - have you seen a score to El Cimarrón? How do you feel about its use of graphic notation?
I think it's a somewhat different case from some of the things we've discussed back on the Haubenstock-Ramati thread, because Henze had worked extensively with all the performers while the piece was being written (at least I assume he had) so that the score is more a mnemonic for reproducing what did happen rather than for influencing what might happen. Of course, with different performers, it's "just" a graphic score again, although it indicates possibilities within a fairly precisely-conceived musical and dramatic concept, which puts it in a different category from scores whose overall form is variable or which (like December 1952) give you hardly any clues at all. Henze was always a bit tentative and indeed pragmatic in adopting "avant-garde" techniques like graphic notation or electronics, don't you think? and he abandoned them after a fairly short time anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: 19:03:32, 13-05-2007 »

I think it's a somewhat different case from some of the things we've discussed back on the Haubenstock-Ramati thread, because Henze had worked extensively with all the performers while the piece was being written (at least I assume he had) so that the score is more a mnemonic for reproducing what did happen rather than for influencing what might happen. Of course, with different performers, it's "just" a graphic score again, although it indicates possibilities within a fairly precisely-conceived musical and dramatic concept, which puts it in a different category from scores whose overall form is variable or which (like December 1952) give you hardly any clues at all. Henze was always a bit tentative and indeed pragmatic in adopting "avant-garde" techniques like graphic notation or electronics, don't you think? and he abandoned them after a fairly short time anyway.
I agree that the case is very different from the issues raised in the graphic notation thread. However, although I haven't read much source material, e.g., Bohemian Fifths, I do recall coming across a considerable number of conceptual approaches in Henze, especially in some of the String Quartets, the second Violin Concerto, Tristan, etc.

His tentativeness, I think, stems not from a doubt about the utility of such resources, but the feeling that his musical circumstances rarely called for their implementation. The word pragmatic is spot-on.

It would be interesting to compare the Isherwood set (which I don't know) with the Yoder production.
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« Reply #20 on: 23:24:08, 05-07-2007 »

I just thought I ought to draw the attention of those interested in Henze's music to the fact that the latest 4 instalments of the Avant Garde Project (www.avantgardeproject.org) are dedicated to it, and feature such essential pieces (mostly released on Decca in the 1970s and performed by the London Sinfonietta in its heyday) as Compases para reguntas ensimismadas for viola and orchestra, the early Apollo und Hyazinthus and Kammermusik 1958 as well as several film scores.
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« Reply #21 on: 00:37:25, 06-07-2007 »

I just thought I ought to draw the attention of those interested in Henze's music to the fact that the latest 4 instalments of the Avant Garde Project (www.avantgardeproject.org) are dedicated to it, and feature such essential pieces (mostly released on Decca in the 1970s and performed by the London Sinfonietta in its heyday) as Compases para reguntas ensimismadas for viola and orchestra, the early Apollo und Hyazinthus and Kammermusik 1958 as well as several film scores.
I have these on CD! Does taking them up in the avantgardeproject mean that they are no longer in print? Shame...

The viola&orch piece is strong, as is Kammermusik 1958. Deserves another performance or two.
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« Reply #22 on: 09:44:40, 06-07-2007 »

The Decca catalogue as such hardly exists now: the obvious sellers are packaged and repackaged, and often available in parallel versions simultaneously, whilst everything else languishes.

Things have not been helped by the selling and re-selling of the parent company either, so that the very helpful British Music Collection series was not only stopped dead in its tracks but virtually killed off completely at the last change of ownership. On the other hand, there have been some encouraging signs of out-of-the-box (or more accurately into-the-box) thinking, with collections into cheap boxes of virtually all the Polygram Tippett recordings, an ongoing re-issue of the Britten archive, the Malcolm Arnold sets (including material from other companies) and some unexpected arrivals such as the Ashkenazy Shostakovich cycle (with a new 4). More items have been leased to other companies, too, such as some of the Headline series (Cage, Henze, Takemitsu, Gerhard and Panufnik). But personally I'd not expect many of these issues to stay around for ever. I'm afraid the golden rule is 'if you see it, grab it!'.
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« Reply #23 on: 14:33:25, 06-07-2007 »


More items have been leased to other companies, too, such as some of the Headline series (Cage, Henze, Takemitsu, Gerhard and Panufnik). But personally I'd not expect many of these issues to stay around for ever. I'm afraid the golden rule is 'if you see it, grab it!'.

Pardon, but does "Headline series" mean Decca HEAD, meaning Decca HEAD 18, meaning Ferneyhough's Transit?

I dare not hope.




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« Reply #24 on: 14:44:17, 06-07-2007 »

No Evan, you durst not: after a blaze of pre-publicity, the Explore series, which started out with such high hopes, limped into the stores way behind schedule, and waited for ages before announcing a second release, which won't be from the Headline series at all (in fact it's jazz-based).

Sic transit gloria Transit...
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« Reply #25 on: 14:45:45, 06-07-2007 »

Pardon, but does "Headline series" mean Decca HEAD, meaning Decca HEAD 18, meaning Ferneyhough's Transit?

I dare not hope.



Dare I?
We've all been there, Evan. Sad
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« Reply #26 on: 15:38:13, 06-07-2007 »

Pardon, but does "Headline series" mean Decca HEAD, meaning Decca HEAD 18, meaning Ferneyhough's Transit?

I dare not hope.



Dare I?
We've all been there, Evan. Sad

Hmm.  All this Transit talk makes me think I should have placed a higher bid when the LP came up on eBay a while back.  This is quickly turning into a bit of a white whale for me (although I do have my trusty cassette made in the SUNY Buffalo library a few years back)... and I'm not even sure I like the piece that much.
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« Reply #27 on: 18:07:03, 06-07-2007 »

Together with Time and Motion Study II I think it's my favourite of BF's pieces.

I used to have that LP but I sold it (together with most of my others) when I left the UK in 1993, thinking it would be out on CD sooner or later. It seems the second estimate was more accurate.

Chafer, is it really true that all that Henze stuff came out on CD? I never saw it.
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« Reply #28 on: 18:12:01, 06-07-2007 »

is it really true that all that Henze stuff came out on CD?
Apparently so, Richard, although I've never seen it either and there's no image here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Compases-Violin-Concerto-Apollo-Hyazinthus/dp/B00000E4M4/ref=sr_1_1/026-9539117-0494024?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1183741837&sr=8-1

Maybe part of the 'Henze Edition' with white covers bordered in purple and yellow? (I have the Fischer-Dieskau Versuch über Schweine from that series.)
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« Reply #29 on: 18:46:45, 06-07-2007 »

Some of it appeared on the short-lived Decca 'enterprise' series which dates from around 1991. I have one; the Christ Church Cathedral Choir/Simon Preston recordings of the Stravinsky Symphony of Psalms, Canticum Sacrum and Mass couples with the four Poulenc Penitence motets. The middle pages have pictures of other discs in the same series, including Berio's A-Ronne and Cries of London, the Mary Thomas Pierrot Lunaire, the Dorati Messaien Transfiguration, a London Sinfonietta Ligeti disc and the Stomu Yamash'ta album which included Henze's Prison Song and Max's Turris Campanarum Sonatium; other represented composers included Frank Martin, Jana?ek, Schoenberg and Honegger.


Since typing the above, I've found (and ordered) a copy of the disc mentioned above: the cover is similar to the Stravinsky - the whole series had a basic generic pattern. I suppose that it's not altogether impossible that Universal could collect stuff together for a big box in the future: between them DG and Decca covered a fair amount of his output.
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