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Author Topic: Henze?  (Read 1457 times)
time_is_now
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« on: 10:11:53, 30-04-2007 »

Since I rather annoyingly managed to miss the deadline for MDT's Chandos, Carus, Channel Classics, Apex and Somm offers, all of which I wanted to buy things from, I'm just glancing through the Universal offers that end today and wondering if anyone would recommend the following:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4767234.htm

I don't know any of the pieces in question (Symphonies 1-6), and I think the only Henze symphonies I have are no. 7 (?) with CBSO/Rattle and no. 10 on the French Accord label (don't remember the performers, Montpellier Orch maybe??).

Are these composer-conducted recordings of nos. 1-6 a good place to start?
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« Reply #1 on: 10:23:16, 30-04-2007 »

8, the Midsummer Nights Dream one is stunning, and 6 or 7 I think uses electronics very cannily. The earlier
ones are on the expressionist/ serial side. Dennis Russell Davies in(?) Stuttgart I think, not certain, has done a
few and is good with linear clarity therabouts imho. I hadnt realise HWH had made it to 10-clearly having an Indian Summer compositionally.
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« Reply #2 on: 10:42:00, 30-04-2007 »

Since I rather annoyingly managed to miss the deadline for MDT's Chandos, Carus, Channel Classics, Apex and Somm offers, all of which I wanted to buy things from, I'm just glancing through the Universal offers that end today and wondering if anyone would recommend the following:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4767234.htm

I don't know any of the pieces in question (Symphonies 1-6), and I think the only Henze symphonies I have are no. 7 (?) with CBSO/Rattle and no. 10 on the French Accord label (don't remember the performers, Montpellier Orch maybe??).

Are these composer-conducted recordings of nos. 1-6 a good place to start?

Certainly. I'm not a huge Henze fan, but overall much prefer the earlier, more through-composed stuff, like the symphonies, to the eclectic later music.
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« Reply #3 on: 10:56:30, 30-04-2007 »

I like Henze's early symphonies. I'm afraid I think he wrote too much later on, and became less self -critcal when it became clear everything he wrote would get a good performance.

I've never been able to listen to his operas , which many may think are his chief works. I try sometimes,but after a few minutes I start wishing I were doing something else.
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« Reply #4 on: 11:05:48, 30-04-2007 »

Thanks all, but what I was really hoping for was a comment on whether these are good performances to go for.

Any thoughts?
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« Reply #5 on: 11:26:20, 30-04-2007 »

Unfoprtunately they are the only performances of these symphonies I have  heard, so I  can't compare them with any others.But they have had good reviews and I enjoy them. Nos.1 to 5 were,I believe made from live performaneces in the 1960s. All I can say is they sound fine to me,and the recordings have aged well. .
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« Reply #6 on: 11:36:04, 30-04-2007 »

I've never been able to listen to his operas , which many may think are his chief works. I try sometimes,but after a few minutes I start wishing I were doing something else.

How about Der Junge Lord, smittims? I think it's a lovely opera. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #7 on: 17:23:37, 30-04-2007 »

I wouldn't hesitate if I were you, t_i_n. The recordings are excellent for their time, and the performances too, especially the 6th which is considerably more complex in texture than the ones before it.  Nos. 3 and 4 are also important pieces for me.
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« Reply #8 on: 23:06:44, 30-04-2007 »

What about Tristan? A very interesting work for piano, orchestra and tape. German television made a wonderful film in the 1970s about the creation of this work, I have it on videotape somewhere.

Speaking of Henze: last week I heard on German radio that William Walton was twice a guest in Desert Island Discs and on both occasions he chose a Neapolitan song by Henze. I don't know if this anecdote is correct, because the announcer apparently wasn't well informed: he said that Desert Island Discs was a programme on BBC Radio. I believe it still exists. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: 23:17:45, 30-04-2007 »

As luck would have it, this afternoon I was sauntering past a s/h shop I'd never seen before and, after the habitual but increasingly quixotic search for the Bamert Gerhard 4th, I happened upon a new copy of Henze's Requiem for 9 euros. I've never heard it before, having more or less lost interest in Henze at the time it was first performed and released, but from the first few movements it sounds quite impressive. Tristan is a fascinating work indeed, but for me it doesn't come near the Second Piano Concerto, which I almost always find a shattering experience.
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« Reply #10 on: 23:23:18, 30-04-2007 »

Definitely worth going for the 1-6 set, t_i_n: an essential purchase...
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« Reply #11 on: 21:26:51, 09-05-2007 »

There's actually quite a lot of good Henze. People don't talk about him too much because he doesn't fit well into any coherent idea of history (which is to his credit, but doesn't do him any favors). I am very impressed with his choral setting of Edward Bond poetry called Orpheus behind the wire. It was performed by the New York Virtuoso Singers on an interesting CD entitled 'To Orpheus'. Should still be in print.

I found the Requiem to be a little desultory, like the 4th Symphony, but I do like the 2nd, 5th, and 7th Symphonies fairly well. One can certainly learn a lot from looking at them closely. Also the Barcarola for Orchestra or the opera Das verratene Meer, based on Yukio Mishima's novel.
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« Reply #12 on: 21:35:04, 09-05-2007 »

I am very impressed with his choral setting of Edward Bond poetry called Orpheus behind the wire. It was performed by the New York Virtuoso Singers on an interesting CD entitled 'To Orpheus'. Should still be in print.

It's also on a new (well, about 18 months old) Wergo CD, IIRC. Neue Vocalsolisten Stuttgart maybe? I haven't heard it yet though, I'm afraid.
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« Reply #13 on: 21:46:49, 09-05-2007 »

And let's not forget Voices, well, most of it anyway, and El Cimarrón, and the Cantata della fiaba estrema and Natascha Ungeheuer.

I much prefer the 4th Symphony to the 7th (haven't heard the more recent ones though).

One to avoid is Undine, which sounds to me like tired pastiche from start to finish.
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« Reply #14 on: 21:53:15, 09-05-2007 »

I much prefer the 4th Symphony to the 7th (haven't heard the more recent ones though).
7 and 10 I find quite impressive; I've not heard 4, so cannot (and would not presume to) offer any kind of personal comparison, still less any comparative value judgement, there.

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