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Author Topic: Karlheinz Stockhausen  (Read 20523 times)
Baz
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« Reply #645 on: 12:09:54, 13-12-2007 »

I haven't yet had time to go through this entire long thread, and am sure that somewhere in it is the following link. If not - for those (unlike Sir Thomas Beecham) who may care to "tread in it" - an intriguing interview and rehearsal can be watched HERE.

Baz
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« Reply #646 on: 12:34:17, 13-12-2007 »

I'm surprised KS had as much patience as he did with that interviewer.

Ah, dear old Sir Tommy, always there with a warm-hearted bon mot about his colleagues, particularly those less inclined than he was to wallow in the glorious old tradition of past musical greatness. What a delightful old buffer he was.
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« Reply #647 on: 13:07:07, 13-12-2007 »

Here's another assessment, and for me a pretty fair one; in fact I think it pretty much sums up my feelings.

I wouldn't want to live in a world where nobody thought it might be
interesting to ask a Japanese priest to kneel in purple light in front of an
orchestra playing a melody 70 minutes long.
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« Reply #648 on: 13:17:13, 13-12-2007 »

The final paragraph is a gem, Ollie. Thanks for the link.
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« Reply #649 on: 13:54:59, 13-12-2007 »

Ah, dear old Sir Tommy, always there with a warm-hearted bon mot about his colleagues, particularly those less inclined than he was to wallow in the glorious old tradition of past musical greatness. What a delightful old buffer he was.

Indeed Mr. Barrett, and neither always old nor always buffer:


Thomas Beecham began to be definitely known about the year 1906. From boyhood he had saturated himself in music, in England and on the Continent. He had perfected his fine memory, and had founded at least one Orchestral Society at Huyton, Liverpool, where once he had taken Richter's place at a concert that Richter was suddenly unable to attend: this was about the year 1899, when Beecham was nineteen or twenty. For a while he had toured the country with the Kelson Truman Opera Company, and he had experimented with composition, writing three operas.

The New Symphony Orchestra was founded by Beecham in 1906. With this he first won fame, until such time as he parted from the players to establish another London Orchestra, now under the name of the "Beecham Symphony Orchestra." These were the years leading directly to his great work for opera. The programmes were unorthodox, revealing the conductor's personal tastes and high ambitions. We therefore give a list of some of the pieces played in 1907 and 1908:

Edouard Lalo: Symphony in G minor.
Vincent d'Indy: "The enchanted Forest."
Smetana: Symphonic Poem, "Sarka."
Charles Wood: Symphonic Variations on an Irish air.
Frederick Delius: "Paris: the Song of a great City."
Dr. Williams: "Norfolk Rhapsody."
Joseph Holbrook: "Queen Mab."
Dvorak: "The Golden-spinning Wheel."
W.H. Bell: " Love among the ruins."
Delius: "Brigg Fair."
Holbrook: "The Viking."
Delius: "Over the hills and far away."
Delius: "Appalachia."
Holbrook: "Byron."

Intermingled with the above were works by Dvorak, works by Mozart, and passages from Wagner, etc.

The choral part of Joseph Holbrook's "Byron" was sung by the City Choral Society from Birmingham. Thomas Beecham was trying to establish himself in that town in the year 1908; and as the City Choral Society was then in need of a conductor, he filled the post for a time, It was at one of their concerts that we first heard him perform. No impression remains in our mind, except that Beecham conducted without baton, and that in a shaky moment during a piece he called out directions to the players in a loud voice. We recollect that included in the programme was the Overture to Méhul's "Le jeune Henri."

Between the years 1908 and 1916, Thomas Beecham seems to us to have had little apparent sympathy with what we call the "pure" or "absolute" in art. The sublimity of self-contained music seemed to elude him, unless it were of the kind made by Mozart for his slow movements, where always Beecham was an exquisite performer. His bent of mind in those years was operatic; and in orchestral music he appeared constantly to desire a programme.

A German critic, writing in the year 1912, when Beecham visited Berlin with his orchestra, said: "The true domain of Mr. Beecham lies in the theatrical opera, where we must meet again this temperamental and active artist."

(Courtesy S.G.E.)
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« Reply #650 on: 14:04:49, 13-12-2007 »

No impression remains in our mind, except that Beecham conducted without baton, and that in a shaky moment during a piece he called out directions to the players in a loud voice.

Not exactly a rave review, is it?

So, Mr Grew, your quartets. As the entertaining Mr Galloway said to the senator, "put up or shut up."
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Baz
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« Reply #651 on: 14:29:13, 13-12-2007 »

No impression remains in our mind, except that Beecham conducted without baton, and that in a shaky moment during a piece he called out directions to the players in a loud voice.

Not exactly a rave review, is it?

So, Mr Grew, your quartets. As the entertaining Mr Galloway said to the senator, "put up or shut up."

I'm not sure Richard - with respect - that it's appropriate to summon the quartets of Mr Grew on a thread whose title reads "Karl Stockhausen".

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« Reply #652 on: 14:32:51, 13-12-2007 »

I'm not sure Richard - with respect - that it's appropriate to summon the quartets of Mr Grew on a thread whose title reads "Karl Stockhausen".

Or to regale us with "Tommy Beecham - The Wilderness Years", I think.

So what's your opinion of Stockhausen, Baz?
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« Reply #653 on: 14:48:01, 13-12-2007 »

an intriguing interview and rehearsal can be watched HERE.

I couldn't keep watching with all those "Some People Say"s and "To His Disciple"s. Can someone more patient than I let me know if I missed anything actually illuminating?
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« Reply #654 on: 14:52:35, 13-12-2007 »

No impression remains in our mind, except that Beecham conducted without baton, and that in a shaky moment during a piece he called out directions to the players in a loud voice.

Not exactly a rave review, is it?

So, Mr Grew, your quartets. As the entertaining Mr Galloway said to the senator, "put up or shut up."

I'm not sure Richard - with respect - that it's appropriate to summon the quartets of Mr Grew on a thread whose title reads "Karl Stockhausen".

Baz
But then - again, with respect - I don't think that Richard necessarily expected Member Grew to expound about his quartets in this particular thread when there would be a more appropriate place for them.

So, at the risk of remaining temporarily off-topic (for which I offer due apology), might I also invite Member Grew to write about these in a more appropriate place? Perhaps he (or do I mean "they"?) might even care to initiate a new thread devoted thereto...

Best,

Alistair
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« Reply #655 on: 14:55:29, 13-12-2007 »

Come on, Ollie, it's only seven minutes long.

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« Reply #656 on: 16:50:45, 13-12-2007 »

I'm not sure Richard - with respect - that it's appropriate to summon the quartets of Mr Grew on a thread whose title reads "Karl Stockhausen".

Or to regale us with "Tommy Beecham - The Wilderness Years", I think.

So what's your opinion of Stockhausen, Baz?

I've generally found, sometimes to my surprise, that the galoshes have remained remarkably clean if somewhat sterile.

Baz
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« Reply #657 on: 16:58:49, 13-12-2007 »

an intriguing interview and rehearsal can be watched HERE.

I couldn't keep watching with all those "Some People Say"s and "To His Disciple"s. Can someone more patient than I let me know if I missed anything actually illuminating?

Only this priceless exchange:

Interviewer (as though sucking large plum): Can you tell me what the most beautiful sound, or the most interesting sound, you've ever heard is?

very long pause

Stockhausen: No.
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« Reply #658 on: 17:15:35, 13-12-2007 »

But you have to see it to witness the 56 emotions crossing KS's face during that pause, starting with incredulity and ending up looking as though he'd cracked open an extremely old egg.
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« Reply #659 on: 17:20:46, 13-12-2007 »

I've made this gag before, but it reminded me of this poor chap, who also suffered a difficult interview on the BBC at around the same time:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l5evS-ApSNQ

(Back story to that one is here)
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