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« Reply #615 on: 17:04:57, 09-12-2007 » |
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Concerning unfinished and/or unperformed pieces, I've just noticed that the German Wiki page says this: Stockhausen komponierte bis zu seinem Tod. Anfang November 2007, vier Wochen vor seinem Ableben, nahm Stockhausen noch einen Kompositionsauftrag für ein neues Orchesterwerk anlässlich seines 80. Geburtstags an, den er 2008 hätte begehen können. Diesen Auftrag beendete er am Tag vor seinem Tod. Or, for the benefit of non-German speakers: Stockhausen composed until his death. At the beginning of November 2007, four weeks before he departed this life, Stockhausen took on another commission for a new orchestral piece for the occasion of his 80th birthday, which he would have marked in 2008. He completed this commission on the day before his death.I've not seen this information anywhere else, but it may just have appeared today, I haven't checked any other sites today and hadn't looked at that Wiki page before today. |
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« Reply #616 on: 17:20:51, 09-12-2007 » |
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Concerning unfinished and/or unperformed pieces, I've just noticed that the German Wiki page says this: Stockhausen komponierte bis zu seinem Tod. Anfang November 2007, vier Wochen vor seinem Ableben, nahm Stockhausen noch einen Kompositionsauftrag für ein neues Orchesterwerk anlässlich seines 80. Geburtstags an, den er 2008 hätte begehen können. Diesen Auftrag beendete er am Tag vor seinem Tod. Or, for the benefit of non-German speakers: Stockhausen composed until his death. At the beginning of November 2007, four weeks before he departed this life, Stockhausen took on another commission for a new orchestral piece for the occasion of his 80th birthday, which he would have marked in 2008. He completed this commission on the day before his death.I've not seen this information anywhere else, but it may just have appeared today, I haven't checked any other sites today and hadn't looked at that Wiki page before today. I think that's a new entry. It does seem unlikely that he wrote an orchestral piece in four weeks though! |
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« Reply #617 on: 17:29:26, 09-12-2007 » |
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It does seem unlikely that he wrote an orchestral piece in four weeks though!
Well, I was wondering ...  Though we're not told how long it is or anything. It struck me that he may have, ahem, brought it to a state where a devoted assistant or two could 'realise' it (posthumously if need be). Or is that unlikely? |
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« Reply #618 on: 17:33:18, 09-12-2007 » |
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It struck me that he may have, ahem, brought it to a state where a devoted assistant or two could 'realise' it (posthumously if need be). Or is that unlikely?
Well, if it's good enough for Mozart (to name just one)... |
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« Reply #619 on: 17:55:09, 09-12-2007 » |
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Well, if it's good enough for Mozart (to name just one)...
You really think Stocki would have been content with that comparison? His website seems to prefer Goethe as a point of reference, actually ... |
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« Reply #620 on: 18:47:46, 09-12-2007 » |
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Well, if it's good enough for Mozart (to name just one)...
You really think Stocki would have been content with that comparison? His website seems to prefer Goethe as a point of reference, actually ... On the other hand, he did write cadenzas for Mozart's flute and clarinet concertos, and in 1962 published an extended essay "Zur Kadenzrhythmik im Werk Mozarts". |
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« Reply #621 on: 19:22:36, 09-12-2007 » |
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and in 1962 published an extended essay "Zur Kadenzrhythmik im Werk Mozarts".
Now that I didn't know. Any reference for that, Richard? (It's just got to be a good teaching text, hasn't it.) |
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« Reply #622 on: 19:27:27, 09-12-2007 » |
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It's in volume 2 of Stockhausen's Texte, which you must have easy access to.
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« Reply #623 on: 19:35:59, 09-12-2007 » |
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Yep. Ta!
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« Reply #624 on: 19:41:09, 09-12-2007 » |
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« Reply #625 on: 22:14:26, 09-12-2007 » |
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I think that's a new entry. It does seem unlikely that he wrote an orchestral piece in four weeks though!
The work was to be called Zodiac. There were discussions if it would be an entirely new composition, or an orchestration of the existing Zodiac from 1975. If it was the latter, then 4 weeks time seems reasonable. As far as I know, he had made a version for chamber orchestra already, but this was to be for large orchestra, I suppose. |
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« Reply #626 on: 22:17:26, 09-12-2007 » |
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Sorry if this seems morbid or anything, but I'm guessing you'd know more about the circumstances of KS's death than most others here. Can you enlighten us at all?
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« Reply #627 on: 22:42:20, 09-12-2007 » |
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No, I am in the dark just as everyone else. What I can say is that the short, severe illness that was mentioned by Mary Bauermeister (see above) must have been short indeed. I had last contact with Kathinka Pasveer from Stockhausen-Verlag on November 14, and things seemed to be just fine then. They were, in fact, enjoying some preparations for his 80th birthday.
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« Reply #628 on: 23:01:06, 09-12-2007 » |
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Well, if it's good enough for Mozart (to name just one)...
You really think Stocki would have been content with that comparison? His website seems to prefer Goethe as a point of reference, actually ... On the other hand, he did write cadenzas for Mozart's flute and clarinet concertos, and in 1962 published an extended essay "Zur Kadenzrhythmik im Werk Mozarts". I didn't know that, but I do have some recollection that he conducted certain works of Mozart and Haydn on occasion... I realise that it's a tad off-topic, but it might perhaps be interesting to consider those few - so very few - composers who felt that they never came within the aura of Mozart in some way at some point - Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Strauss, Britten and Carter, to name but a very few - and now the recently departed Karlheinz as well; what is is about Mozart in particular that achieves this? This is surely the real "Mozart effect"... Best, Alistair |
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« Reply #629 on: 23:03:44, 09-12-2007 » |
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I realise that it's a tad off-topic, but it might perhaps be interesting to consider those few - so very few - composers who felt that they never came within the aura of Mozart in some way at some point - Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Strauss, Britten and Carter, to name but a very few - and now the recently departed Karlheinz as well; what is is about Mozart in particular that achieves this? This is surely the real "Mozart effect"...
Really interesting thought, ah. Start a thread? Go on! You can do it! Yes, you can!!  |
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