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Author Topic: Zemlinsky - Lyrische Symphonie  (Read 644 times)
richard barrett
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« on: 16:26:33, 12-07-2007 »

Yes, yes, I know it's an orientalist kind of piece, but I was just listening to the Eschenbach recording (with Matthias Goerne and Christine Schäfer) and found myself enjoying it for the first time, so I thought I'd take the opportunity to recommend this recording. I had to listen to the last song a few times before I could really believe what happens at its close (the slowly descending trombone glissando). For the rest, the singers are superb but above all it's the transparency of the, er, highly fragrant orchestral textures which I find most captivating. Anyone who like me has never really made contact with this work before might like to give it a try.
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #1 on: 16:40:22, 12-07-2007 »

Did the title move Berg to call his SQ Lyrische Suite?
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richard barrett
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« Reply #2 on: 16:41:59, 12-07-2007 »

Not only that, but Berg quotes from Zemlinsky in said piece.
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« Reply #3 on: 16:48:26, 12-07-2007 »

Anyone who has never really made contact with this work before
That'll be me (one of those in-one-ear-out-the-other experiences; my fault I'm sure). Thanks Richard.
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« Reply #4 on: 22:49:35, 12-07-2007 »

I've enjoyed the score but not actually heard it with my ears.
A timely reminder - we've got it in the library here.
I have future plans for it [rubs hands together in glee].
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« Reply #5 on: 23:44:11, 12-07-2007 »

The Lyric Suite is dedicated to Zemlinsky indeed. Although perhaps partly because he couldn't really dedicate it publicly to the real dedicatee.

The quote is from the passage 'Du bist mein Eigen, mein Eigen...'

I got to know it through the Fischer-Dieskau/Várady/Maazel recording, although it really needs a slightly weightier baritone for my money. Seconding Richard's recommendation (of the piece rather than the recording, which I don't know).
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« Reply #6 on: 02:17:29, 13-07-2007 »

Any recommendations for a good recording that might, say, be less than, say, $33 for a single disc?!

After all, we composers aren't all rich and famous like Mr. Barrett here.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #7 on: 10:00:55, 13-07-2007 »

Any recommendations for a good recording that might, say, be less than, say, $33 for a single disc?!

After all, we composers aren't all rich and famous like Mr. Barrett here.
You must be confusing me with someone else of the same name I think.

There's also this

which is very cheap indeed (and now has a different cover I think) and is worth having for the Berg string-orchestra arrangements of the three Lyric Suite movements, but the Zemlinsky is let down by the singers and never really comes to life for me.
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« Reply #8 on: 10:46:55, 13-07-2007 »

Yes, yes, I know it's an orientalist kind of piece,
Hey, careful, now! Watch that terminological use; it can lead you into all kinds of - er - situations...

Best,

Alistair
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #9 on: 15:13:31, 13-07-2007 »

I am a fervent advocate of Eduard Brunner's recording of Zemlinsky's trio op. 3 on the Tudor Musique Oblige label. Recorded 1985

Except I hadn't bought it for Zem, I bought it for the Webern arrangement of Schoenberg op. 9, which is on the same CD.

A version of this awesome photo is on the cover of said recording:
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« Reply #10 on: 19:36:05, 13-07-2007 »

Moderator note:

It has been brought to my attention that this VERY SPECIFICALLY-TITLED thread Zemlinsky - Lyrische Symphonie has been most unfairly treated by particular members.

After consultation, selected messages were moved over to the Making Money.... thread? (Making Music board)

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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #11 on: 06:55:06, 14-07-2007 »


Alexander Zemlinscy was as well as conductor a first-rate composer, with a keen ear for appropriate harmonies. We recommend to Members his four String Quartets (if you have to choose but one, the second, dating from 1915, is the best), as well as his magnificent 1935 setting of the Thirteenth Psalm for voices and orchestra.

How unfortunate that he was forced to flee from Berlin to Vienna, from Ostmark to Prague, and from Bohemia-Moravia to the United American States, where of course sensitive soul he soon expired!

And it is peculiar indeed - quite a poor performance we might say - for there to have been eleven messages in this thread and not one mention of Sir Rabindranath Tagore, the Nobel-prize winner who quite rightly resigned his knighthood in protest against the British and their repressive actions against Indians.

"Wheels within wheels" - that was the structural principle which Zemlinscy is said to have had from Tagore. The wheel of life you know. Janacek too was there with Zemlinscy at Tagore's Prague Bengali readings. This symphony, then, uses seven songs from Tagore's anthology "The Gardener," which deals foolish people try to tell us with the progress of a love "affair" - but no, it is in fact much more than that! The book is available to all on the Internet. Here is an English translation of the first song:

    I am restless. I am athirst for far-away things.
    My soul goes out in a longing to touch the skirt of the dim distance.
    O Great Beyond, O the keen call of thy flute!
    I forget, I ever forget, that I have no wings to fly, that I am bound in this spot evermore.

    I am eager and wakeful, I am a stranger in a strange land.
    Thy breath comes to me whispering an impossible hope.
    Thy tongue is known to my heart as its very own.
    O Far-to-seek, O the keen call of thy flute!
    I forget, I ever forget, that I know not the way, that I have not the winged horse.

    I am listless, I am a wanderer in my heart.
    In the sunny haze of the languid hours, what vast vision of thine takes shape in the blue of the sky!
    O Farthest end, O the keen call of thy flute!
    I forget, I ever forget, that the gates are shut everywhere in the house where I dwell alone!

Such good stuff, isn't it!

P.S. It is indeed a fine and successful photograph in reply 9. But we nevertheless wish photographers would stop suggesting to subjects that they raise hand to chin. Such a posed look is not always the most desirable.
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« Reply #12 on: 08:21:50, 14-07-2007 »

I take it you are referring to Semblingsky, opilec.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #13 on: 09:05:13, 14-07-2007 »

Congratulations to member Grew on an uncharacteristically enlightening post! And whoever thought that the late great Mr Cooper could turn up in a thread about Zemlinsky? An auspicious start to the day indeed.

The LaSalle recorded all of AZ's quartets, didn't they? Wonder if that's still to be had somewhere.
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #14 on: 10:34:31, 14-07-2007 »

I first ran into Rabindranath Tagore about 25 years ago. My sixth-grade English teacher was an enormous fan of Indian culture. After teaching us about the use of the comma, he taught us how to meditate.

I still have a book of poems from that period. Unfortunately, it's packed in boxes, but I will have to have a look soon. Thanks Grew!
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