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Author Topic: Erik Satie: Vexations etc.  (Read 854 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 23:42:25, 22-08-2007 »

I played 840 repetitions of Vexations about 8 years ago.
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« Reply #16 on: 17:29:08, 01-09-2007 »

I organised a 24-hour long performance of "Vexations" in the mid-1980s for basically amateur players to raise money for a charitable purpose. Not many people came to listen, but I think we had a team of about 8 players, not all doing the same length of playing. As I had organised it i had to fill in the required number of hours, which I think came to five, which was not too bad an endurance test. I had also attended years earlier a performance in London given by one pianist (I cannot recall his name), but I stayed for only three hours. What does the initial instruction containing "840" actually mean, then, if not telling the performers the number of repeats?
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« Reply #17 on: 14:11:10, 02-09-2007 »

I organised a 24-hour long performance of "Vexations" in the mid-1980s for basically amateur players to raise money for a charitable purpose. Not many people came to listen, but I think we had a team of about 8 players, not all doing the same length of playing. As I had organised it i had to fill in the required number of hours, which I think came to five, which was not too bad an endurance test. I had also attended years earlier a performance in London given by one pianist (I cannot recall his name), but I stayed for only three hours. What does the initial instruction containing "840" actually mean, then, if not telling the performers the number of repeats?

I'm a bit surprised you managed to organise a performance without apparently understanding the "instruction" ! It translates as follows - "[In order] to play this phrase [motif] 840 times in a row, it will be as well to prepare oneself in advance, and in the deepest silence, through serious immobilities [implying contemplation or meditation]". Orledge's article notes that "Satie's performance indications have been the subject of much speculation" and that his "performance note is not a definite instruction but, rather, a suggestion that if one wants to play this phrase 840 times in a row . . ." Nevertheless, the implication is that there should be a fair number of repetitions.
Orledge's article is of great interest. I posted a link to it in message 1; also a link to the Bryars article about performances, which reveals that the solo version you heard was probably that by Richard Toop.

Incidentally, there is a full CD of Vexations by Alan Marks (70 minutes - 40 repetitions) - not bad despite the odd mistake and the performer's suspect internal clock.
http://www.amazon.com/Vexations-Erik-Satie/dp/B000AM1TTE
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« Reply #18 on: 18:39:16, 02-09-2007 »

autoharp, don't trust the Amazon information re. that CD. Their implication that the recording dates from 2005 is, I suspect, quite wrong. I have a Decca CD, published in 1990, and recorded in September 1987, of Alan Marks playing 40 cycles of Vexations. Like the 'Boutique' CD, the recording was produced by Thomas Wilbrandt. The total duration is given as 69 minutes 40 seconds. I suspect the contents of these two CDs derive from the same source material. Indeed, My guess is that the "Ltm / Boutique Nl" CD is simply a re-issue.

Alan Marks also recorded a rather slower version which is included his Satie CD "Collected Items from a Silent Dream", where it is found along with the other "Pages Mystiques". Again, the recording was produced by Thomas Wilbrandt, and dates form September 1987. In each case the recording engineer was Siegberg Ernst. Alan Marks died at home in Berlin in July 1995.
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« Reply #19 on: 19:11:20, 04-09-2007 »

I organised a 24-hour long performance of "Vexations" in the mid-1980s for basically amateur players to raise money for a charitable purpose. Not many people came to listen, but I think we had a team of about 8 players, not all doing the same length of playing. As I had organised it i had to fill in the required number of hours, which I think came to five, which was not too bad an endurance test. I had also attended years earlier a performance in London given by one pianist (I cannot recall his name), but I stayed for only three hours. What does the initial instruction containing "840" actually mean, then, if not telling the performers the number of repeats?

I'm a bit surprised you managed to organise a performance without apparently understanding the "instruction" ! It translates as follows - "[In order] to play this phrase [motif] 840 times in a row, it will be as well to prepare oneself in advance, and in the deepest silence, through serious immobilities [implying contemplation or meditation]". Orledge's article notes that "Satie's performance indications have been the subject of much speculation" and that his "performance note is not a definite instruction but, rather, a suggestion that if one wants to play this phrase 840 times in a row . . ." Nevertheless, the implication is that there should be a fair number of repetitions.
Orledge's article is of great interest. I posted a link to it in message 1; also a link to the Bryars article about performances, which reveals that the solo version you heard was probably that by Richard Toop.<<<<<<<<From lovedaydewfall: yes, now you've mentioned the name I recall that it was Toop. I'm not sure whether the version of Satie's score that I used actually had that instruction on it. From somewhere or other I got the idea that the piece had to be played 840 times. Somehow or other we figured that 840 divided by 20 was 24, and that hence 20 repetitions were required each hour. We had the music photocopied 20 times, and as a simple method of computing how often it was played the pianist removed a sheet after each play. I had observed that this was how Toop did it, except, I think, he had 840 sheets, although I can't be sure. I only stayed for three hours, and it was ages ago.

Incidentally, there is a full CD of Vexations by Alan Marks (70 minutes - 40 repetitions) - not bad despite the odd mistake and the performer's suspect internal clock.
http://www.amazon.com/Vexations-Erik-Satie/dp/B000AM1TTE
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« Reply #20 on: 11:06:09, 10-03-2008 »

Look! John Cale on 60s gameshow "I've Got a Secret" talking about Vexations!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYHIqMmtS-0
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« Reply #21 on: 18:28:17, 10-03-2008 »

Here's a little something I multitracked together a quarter of a century ago. I'd quite like to have another go some time, using modern digital technology and 840 different pianists. I called it "A Vexed Question". It was used as an illustration on an set of interview pages re. Experimental Music, on the BBC Radio3 pages a few years ago.

[Sorry to say, the distortion on that is made even worse by the encoding to mp3.]
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« Reply #22 on: 05:12:32, 20-03-2008 »

Look! John Cale on 60s gameshow "I've Got a Secret" talking about Vexations!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYHIqMmtS-0

Thanks for that one, Tim! Interesting that Cale's performance of 1 repetition includes the bass theme at the end as well as at the beginning . . .
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