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'Eleanor Rigby' is somehow really suffocated by its craft and need to comment. Hate it.
How strange. Eleanor Rigby is the only Beatles song I like. I think the worst one is "Imagine". One for the Pedantry Thread, perhaps, but 'Imagine' is not a Beatles song, it's a solo track from Lennon. |
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'Eleanor Rigby' is somehow really suffocated by its craft and need to comment. Hate it.
How strange. Eleanor Rigby is the only Beatles song I like. I think the worst one is "Imagine". One for the Pedantry Thread, perhaps, but 'Imagine' is not a Beatles song, it's a solo track from Lennon. Oh ok. Well I don't like it anyway. Musically, it's a horrible dirge. Alright then - the worst "Beatles" song - good heavens the list is endless, very difficult decision - but I think it must be "Help" although "She loves you" (yeah, yeah yeah  ) comes very close. |
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Oh ok. Well I don't like it anyway. Musically, it's a horrible dirge. Agreed 100% Alright then - the worst "Beatles" song - good heavens the list is endless, very difficult decision - but I think it must be "Help" although "She loves you" (yeah, yeah yeah ) comes very close. I'm trying to think of good ones - quite fond of 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer', rather like 'She's leaving' (sentimental type that I am) and 'Day in the Life'. |
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« Reply #18 on: 00:33:15, 29-08-2007 » |
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Favorite Beatles song: I want you/She's so heavy
Least favorite Beatles song: Hard Day's Night
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« Reply #19 on: 00:35:14, 29-08-2007 » |
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When it comes to that time-period I'm sure I could think of a few things I would most of the time prefer to the Beatles. But as far as I'm concerned that doesn't detract in any way from their music. Imagine we were discussing Weber, and people started saying how much "better" Schubert, Beethoven and Mendelssohn were. That would be kind of beside the point, wouldn't it? Unless we were heading in the direction of So-Called "Popular" Ditties of the Late Nineteen-Sixties Variously Rated...
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« Reply #20 on: 00:41:28, 29-08-2007 » |
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Sadly, you can't criticise the Beatles without coming up against the 'You're wrong!', 'How can you say that?!', 'But millions of people think they're great' school of (non)criticism.
Tell me, Tony, just what there is to like about the numbers I mentioned? They range from the pedestrian ('Doctor Robert') to the downright dreadful ('Submarine' and 'Love You To').
Years ago, people who criticised the Royal Family used to get barracked, sworn at and punched in the face. Nowadays, it's people who criticise the Beatles.
Beatles-worship is just a form of constipated jingoism.
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« Reply #21 on: 00:43:00, 29-08-2007 » |
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Well, Sergeant Pepper in particular is often held up as an epoch-making album of its time, so it doesn't seem unfair to ask if other things from the same period could make comparable claims?
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« Reply #22 on: 00:45:30, 29-08-2007 » |
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Nothing will detract from the music of anyone just because of personal opinions proffered on here. That's all they are after all - personal opinions. You only have to read the Michael Ball thread to see how diverse these opinions can be.
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« Reply #23 on: 00:51:19, 29-08-2007 » |
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Tell me, Tony, just what there is to like about the numbers I mentioned? They range from the pedestrian ('Doctor Robert') to the downright dreadful ('Submarine' and 'Love You To').
I never said I liked them, SK, just Mr Kite and Help. I can't stand Maxwell's Silver Hammer and I don't know the albums, only the singles, so I've never heard of Doctor Robert and Love You To. But Beatles songs are evocative. There's a certain wistfulness about many of them. I've said elsewhere that Yellow Submarine is rubbish but I remember how popular it was at school when it first came out. |
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'Safe as Milk' is just so fantastic - 'Autumn's Child' hits me every single time...of the albums I've heard it is so very hard to compare as they were going for different ideas. x-post
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Ah! Yes indeed. Andy D. "Mirror Man. Mirror Me ..... "Mirror Man. Mirror Me ..... "Mirror Man. Mirror Me ..... "Mirror Man. Mirror Me ..... Er, by the way SK. What's that Yellow Submarine all about then Eh?  |
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« Reply #26 on: 01:41:11, 29-08-2007 » |
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Sorry, Tony, I was replying to Tonybob, not your good self.  What is Yellow Submarine about? It's about thinking up the most irritating tune imaginable and disseminating it across the airwaves, like a form of electronic bacillus. Either that, or it was the 'Fab Four' attempting to goose their own public. 'Let's see....we'll put out a doltish ditty of the kind you hear sung by football crowds....and we'll get our weakest vocalist (Ringo) to sing it....we'll dress it up in a load of annoying nautical sound effects....and we'll release it as an A side....and see if anyone falls for it!' |
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Someone once got very annoyed at me for suggesting that the singing in 'Yellow Submarine' was, well, not exactly too in-tune; they said this was a real 'classical musician's comment' (eek!). Is it a not-unreasonable criticism in the case of that song, though?
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« Reply #28 on: 01:52:03, 29-08-2007 » |
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Favorite Beatles song: I want you/She's so heavy
Least favorite Beatles song: Hard Day's Night
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« Reply #29 on: 04:25:35, 29-08-2007 » |
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Beatles-worship is just a form of constipated jingoism. The Beatles are great, but so is, like, air, and love. We can talk about how awesome Revolver is, or we can talk about how awesome dozens of other awesome records that nobody ever talks about are. I guess I prefer the latter. A related phenomena is the Beatles' status as "token band" among many classical music enthusiasts. When the literati condescend to listen to only one pop music enterprise, it always seems to be the Beatles (although Radiohead is closing on them rapidly). |
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