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There's an interesting piece by Sholto Byrnes on this topic in the New Statesman, which might (hopefullly) prompt some discussion about C20th music that's more elevated than the "Oh yes it is!/Oh no it isn't!" that has sadly earmarked a lot of the interchange about the topic on these boards? (Yes, that's a hint.. please try and keep on topic...) http://www.newstatesman.com/200711010034 |
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« Reply #1 on: 12:10:03, 02-11-2007 » |
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Wouldn't it have been nice if the author of that article had been a little more musically savvy and a little less concerned to turn an impressive-sounding phrase without regard as to its accuracy, therefore avoiding silly formulations like "Arnold Schoenberg, the man who did most to develop the serialist and twelve-tone theories that shattered conventional harmony," and perhaps even mentioning that at the time of his most intensive correspondence with Kandinsky, Schoenberg was actually spending more time himself painting than composing.
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« Reply #2 on: 12:24:36, 02-11-2007 » |
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That is interesting. I wasn't aware that Sch. painted. What I would be interested in doing, is looking at Schoenberg's paintings, and perhaps reviewing some of his music from the "post-Kandinsky" period. Some people can absorb and integrate new ideas almost instantaneously, while for some, things take time to percolate.
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« Reply #3 on: 12:41:07, 02-11-2007 » |
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Schoenberg, 'Vision' (1912)  |
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« Reply #4 on: 12:42:23, 02-11-2007 » |
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That is interesting. I wasn't aware that Sch. painted. What I would be interested in doing, is looking at Schoenberg's paintings, and perhaps reviewing some of his music from the "post-Kandinsky" period. Some people can absorb and integrate new ideas almost instantaneously, while for some, things take time to percolate.
One of his favorite themes was the 'self-portrait'  |
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« Reply #5 on: 12:52:45, 02-11-2007 » |
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That is interesting. I wasn't aware that Sch. painted. What I would be interested in doing, is looking at Schoenberg's paintings, and perhaps reviewing some of his music from the "post-Kandinsky" period. Some people can absorb and integrate new ideas almost instantaneously, while for some, things take time to percolate.
This book  has an interesting chapter on Schoenberg's paintings, apart from being a fine introduction for specialist and non-specialist alike as to why some people think Schoenberg's music is so great. I enjoyed reading it and it did increase my curiosity to get to know the music better, though I'm afraid I still don't really appreciate it. |
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Schoenberg, 'Vision' (1912) Is it a vision of you then Syd ? |
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« Reply #7 on: 22:11:12, 02-11-2007 » |
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« Reply #8 on: 11:19:59, 05-11-2007 » |
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A friend of mine bought me a present of a book of Schoenberg's artwork; he hasn't given it me yet though. Will have to track him down and get it off him some time soon.
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A friend of mine bought me a present of a book of Schoenberg's artwork; he hasn't given it me yet though. Will have to track him down and get it off him some time soon. He did this one towards the end of 1908. The unfortunate effects of the interstellar dust cloud which enveloped the Earth in that year are clearly visible. To-day we have grown accustomed to them, but what a shock it must have been at the time! |
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« Reply #10 on: 23:23:01, 07-01-2008 » |
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Here are some association sthat seem to have lodged themselves in my head......
Matisse - early Stravinsky
Picasso - later Stravinsky
Klimt - Mahler / Zemlinsky
Schiele - Schoenberg
Miro - Bartok
Kandinsky - Martinu
No historical basis behind them that I am conscious of at all (apart from the Klimt trio). Would be interesting to hear how other members associate artists and musicians/composers
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« Reply #11 on: 23:40:04, 07-01-2008 » |
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Funny, I always think of Berg - Schiele, only because there's a Schiele reproduction on the front of the volume of Wedekind plays with Lulu in it.
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« Reply #12 on: 09:36:16, 08-01-2008 » |
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Miro - Bartok
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Interesting - I love one (Bartók), but simply don't get the other. I'll have to give Miro another go. |
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« Reply #13 on: 09:46:47, 08-01-2008 » |
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Funny, I always think of Berg - Schiele, only because there's a Schiele reproduction on the front of the volume of Wedekind plays with Lulu in it.
Talking of whom (Schiele that is) can I recommend what I thought was a very good little telly programme about Schiele - and Death and the Maiden in particular - which is being repeated this Thursday (10th) on BBC4 at 19.30. Another one in the same series, this time on Kokoschka, is on tonight, same time same channel, also well worth catching (IMHO etc). |
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« Reply #14 on: 10:58:06, 08-01-2008 » |
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There's obvious linkage between early Shostakovich and that first flowering of soviet music with the work of artists like El Lissitsky |
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