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autoharp
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« on: 16:02:25, 21-11-2007 »
http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=2006.msg73761#msg73761

Here's an exchange from the "Religious cult" thread which I thought it might be of interest to pursue.

There are a couple of recordings of realisations by Alexander Nemtin.
One is by Deutsches Symphonie-Orchester Berlin conducted by Askenazy (in 3 parts) which also contains orchestrations of a number of later piano pieces, and was released in 1999. The other, containing just Part 1 ("Universe") by Moscow Phil conducted by Kondrashin, was released in 1973 and is a far superior performance.
It seems pretty plausible and contains much reference to the Op. 74 preludes and the 8th sonata.

This article may also be of interest.

http://www.aber.ac.uk/cla/archive/skria.html
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #1 on: 17:02:18, 21-11-2007 »
Quote from: autoharp on 16:02:25, 21-11-2007
There are a couple of recordings of realisations by Alexander Nemtin.

Note that these "realisations" are not of the Mysterium itself but of the Action Préalable (Preliminary Action) a separate work upon which Scryabine laboured in 1912 and 1913.
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« Reply #2 on: 17:20:02, 21-11-2007 »
I only know the Kondrashin recording mentioned above, and it's an extremely good performance.

Since dance, scent, projections and other elements were essential to the "Mysterium" (along with it being performed in the Himalayas), it's understandable why these early drafts and preliminary sections were not the "full shilling" in Scriabin's own Messianic view...
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« Reply #3 on: 18:03:31, 21-11-2007 »
Quote from: Sydney Grew on 17:02:18, 21-11-2007
Quote from: autoharp on 16:02:25, 21-11-2007
There are a couple of recordings of realisations by Alexander Nemtin.

Note that these "realisations" are not of the Mysterium itself but of the Action Préalable (Preliminary Action) a separate work upon which Scryabine laboured in 1912 and 1913.


Indeed, Member Grew is correct. Predvaritelnoye Deistvo or "Prefatory Action" was to have been a preliminary composition preceding "Mysterium". I'd be interested in the member's view of Nemtin's realisation/composition.
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« Reply #4 on: 20:00:45, 22-11-2007 »
By a strange coincidence, I've today encountered a reference to Manfred Kelkel and his Tombeau de Scriabine, which is subtitled "Transmutations symphoniques de fragments des esquisses musicales de la derniere oeuvre inachevee de Scriabine". Anyone know anything about this ?
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« Reply #5 on: 03:10:00, 23-11-2007 »
Quote from: autoharp on 20:00:45, 22-11-2007
By a strange coincidence, I've today encountered a reference to Manfred Kelkel and his Tombeau de Scriabine, which is subtitled "Transmutations symphoniques de fragments des esquisses musicales de la derniere oeuvre inachevee de Scriabine". Anyone know anything about this ?
Oh gee no!  Sounds very interesting indeed...

(Has anyone actually seen the orchestral fragments themselves?)
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« Reply #6 on: 10:20:38, 23-11-2007 »
Yes I have a copy of them. It is a pdf. How do I share it with you? It's rather a mess (strangely unlike Scriabin's fair copies which are rather nicely done) and a little difficult to decipher. One can, however, see the little portion that Sabaneyev used in the preface to his 1915 Sonata in memory of Scriabin (this fragment was not actually incorporated into Sabaneyev's piece, though).
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« Reply #7 on: 13:40:26, 23-11-2007 »
Quote from: Jonathan Powell on 10:20:38, 23-11-2007
Yes I have a copy of them. It is a pdf. How do I share it with you? It's rather a mess (strangely unlike Scriabin's fair copies which are rather nicely done) and a little difficult to decipher. One can, however, see the little portion that Sabaneyev used in the preface to his 1915 Sonata in memory of Scriabin (this fragment was not actually incorporated into Sabaneyev's piece, though).

Oh great.  Check your messages.
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« Reply #8 on: 18:04:41, 23-11-2007 »
How far do we believe that Scriabin really thought that "Mysterium" would indeed bring about a state of earthly Nirvana when played in the correct spot in the Himalayas?

The story of a bunch of Russians who are currently holed-up in a cave* and confidently predicting the End Of The World in Spring next year is somehow at the back of my mind when pondering this question...

* and holding at least one child hostage, and threatening to blow the entire cave down around their heads with explosives if Police attempt to evict them...
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