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Turfan Fragment
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« on: 22:36:47, 07-04-2008 »
After a thread some time ago on Evan Parker, I thought I'd pick the ball up again.

Does anyone know the work of pianist Georg Graewe? Any thoughts on it? I wish I knew how much of it was notated and how much improvised (it could very well be 100% in one or the other direction, pedantry aside). Anybody have s'manswers?
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richard barrett
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« Reply #1 on: 18:02:37, 08-04-2008 »
I've only heard Gräwe live as the leader of a thirteen-piece ensemble for which I had great hopes (Phl Minton and Peter van Bergen were both present) but actually it was awful: the "composed" bits sounded like under-rehearsed run-of-the-mill mid-twentieth century composition, the improvised sections normally got cut off just before they would have a chanc to develop into something interesting, and the whole set seemed to have been thrown together clumsily from a sequence of unrelated chunks. Even Gräwe's piano playing, which I'd been quite impressed by in recordings, seemed to me perfunctory and uninspired. Thumbs down, in other words.
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« Reply #2 on: 21:21:09, 08-04-2008 »
Quote from: richard barrett on 18:02:37, 08-04-2008
Even Gräwe's piano playing, which I'd been quite impressed by in recordings, seemed to me perfunctory and uninspired. Thumbs down, in other words.
Which recordings were you impressed by? And do you know more about the proportion of improvisation/composition in his work?
(I know, I'm going to have to do some 'research' of my own now.)

The only disc I have is "Traces of Memory", which while not Parnassus-ific, does have a quality of its very own unlike anything I've heard. Does remind me, strangely, of Bill Hopkins, though more homogeneous, more glib certainly, and less meticulous about shaping every single note. Can you corroborate that or am I too far in left field?
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richard barrett
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« Reply #3 on: 21:35:00, 08-04-2008 »
Quote from: Turfan Fragment on 21:21:09, 08-04-2008
Quote from: richard barrett on 18:02:37, 08-04-2008
Even Gräwe's piano playing, which I'd been quite impressed by in recordings, seemed to me perfunctory and uninspired. Thumbs down, in other words.
Which recordings were you impressed by? And do you know more about the proportion of improvisation/composition in his work?
(I know, I'm going to have to do some 'research' of my own now.)
erm, I don't remember; but what I heard I assumed was "completely" improvised.
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« Reply #4 on: 15:15:00, 09-04-2008 »
Quote from: Turfan Fragment on 21:21:09, 08-04-2008
Bill Hopkins
Do you mean Bill Evans Huh
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« Reply #5 on: 19:07:56, 09-04-2008 »
"strangely," which I use sparingly, is the key word here. No.
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