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richard barrett
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« on: 13:08:48, 20-04-2008 »

This is a Phonoliszt-Violina, manufactured by the Hupfeld firm of Leipzig in various models between 1912 and some time in the 1920s.



It consists of a player piano to which is added a player violin - actually three violins, each of which has only one operative string (D, A and E respectively), its other strings being only for show. A rotating ring at the top, the inside of which is rosined, acts as a bow for all three violins, which are tilted slightly so that the string rests against the ring when the strign in question is to be played. Each string also has either 10 (D and A) or 16 (E) pneumatic "fingers" which stop the strings, and a mechanism attached to the tailpiece which rapidly alters the string tension to produce vibrato. The instrument is "played" by a punched paper roll, although the keyboard can also be played normally (whether the keyboard can actuate the violin strings I don't know.

This is part of a piece (presumably contemporary to the machine) played on it. For certain electronic music-related reasons I should very much like to know the composer and title of this little waltz and so far I've been unable to find out (this isn't a Repertoire Test - I really don't know the answer). Is anyone here an expert in early 20th century light music, or musical automata, or both, or does anyone know someone who is?

thanks!


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martle
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« Reply #1 on: 14:19:44, 20-04-2008 »

Richard, that's a song, isn't it, as opposed to an instrumental waltz. I don't know what it is, but it sounds like 1900-1920, and I know a man who would.

http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/staff/ds/

There is no popular song of the period that this man does not know. A colleague of friend Biroc, too!
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richard barrett
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« Reply #2 on: 14:24:42, 20-04-2008 »

Thanks m, I'll follow that up. Time to get ready to leave for my soundcheck now...
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« Reply #3 on: 15:22:12, 20-04-2008 »

Ah yes - good luck with the gig, rb!
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« Reply #4 on: 17:34:25, 20-04-2008 »

Richard,

It sounds like a Tin Pan Alley waltz, like an early Jerome Kern or Irving Berlin number, not one I know, but I'll get the Dance Bands yahoo group onto it!
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« Reply #5 on: 11:30:29, 21-04-2008 »

Richard,

I got in touch with internet colleague author/discographer Paul Charosh who immediately identified the tune as


"The Door of Her Dreams", from Rudolph Friml's operetta "Rose Marie" (1924).

(might sometimes be listed as "Door Of My Dreams")


a Paul Charosh link


John
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richard barrett
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« Reply #6 on: 11:58:39, 21-04-2008 »

Thanks a lot John! I shall investigate further.
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Stanley Stewart
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Well...it was 1935


« Reply #7 on: 12:57:24, 21-04-2008 »

Hi, Richard & John.     Here's my tuppenceworth; in old currency, providing John's hunch is correct.  I couldn't get the 'lead' on my PC.

I've had a look a my Kurt Ganzl's Blackwell Guide to Musical Theatre on Record for quick reference and, surprisingly, immediately traced a recommended recording of Friml's "Rose Marie", on my shelves, next to a paperback of Edmund Wilson's 'Proust' memoirs - I'll leave you to talk among yourselves about the implications!  Could it be 'The mountie always gets his man'?

This recording on RCA, from the late 1950s. has Julie Andrews, Giorgio Tozzi and Frederick Harvey - all in fine voice - but the blot on the Canadian landscape is the Mike Sammes Singers, amusingly redolent of the era of the recording.   My recording is on CD-R from a well-used LP; a real collector's item.

However, gentlemen, if you'd like a copy with my complements, please pm me.   Select CD-R, or minidisc.

             "Now at last the door to our dreams
              is swinging wide..."     Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: 14:28:57, 21-04-2008 »

Friml studied with Dvorak and moved to New York.  As the star of Herbert's Naughty Marietta refused to appear in another Herbert show, Friml was asked to compose, and never looked back.  Rosemarie (see welcome thread to Ahh, where Stanley and I have been camping it up) is the only one of his works to get an entry in the Viking Book of Opera.

Off to Punch and Judy.  O and Richard, the Mackerras From the House of the Dead sounded pretty intense.
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Well...it was 1935


« Reply #9 on: 15:31:36, 21-04-2008 »

     Me - camping it up?       MOI?      Shame on you, DB.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

         "Of all the queens I ever met, I choose you,
          O Rosie, my Rose Marie."
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« Reply #10 on: 19:27:33, 21-04-2008 »

Richard,

A bit more information (from BDBYG) on the tune, Otto Harbach and Oscar Hammerstein II wrote "The Door Of My Dreams" for the stage version of Rose Marie in which it was sung by Mary Ellis, but it was not included in either of the film versions. There's only one recording of that tune listed in the British Dance Bands Discography (2nd ed. Rust-Forbes) as part of a Rose Marie medley by the New Mayfair Dance Orchestra in 1929, directed by Ray Noble, on 12" 78 HMV C-1756. Other band recordings of Rose Marie medleys may include the waltz.

The Drury Lane Theatre Orchestra recorded it in April 1925 (12" Columbia 9037) and I think this is the recording sung by Edith Day available at Amazon'

The Door Of My Dreams

John
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« Reply #11 on: 19:40:24, 21-04-2008 »

See, this is one of the many reasons I like this board. Yesterday, Richard posts a request to identify a pretty obscure ditty. Less than 24 hours later, John has had it identified by an expert colleague. And in the last few hours tons of intriguing info about it has dribbled in from John, Don and Stanley. Astounding.   Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: 20:30:19, 21-04-2008 »

Is it not. Many thanks everyone!  Smiley
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Stanley Stewart
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Well...it was 1935


« Reply #13 on: 22:01:27, 21-04-2008 »

   I did an extra recording of the 1958 "Rose Marie" earlier this evening and was delighted to remember how musicals, usually in 3 Acts, used to finish each act with an ensemble which would reprise the musical highlights and also remind the audiences of precisely the stage at where the simple-minded plots had reached.    Rather like Snooker highlights on BBC 2, followed by Snooker Extra.   Julie Andrews, Giorgio Tozzi and Frederick Harvey blend so well in these ensembles.  The two MGM film versions, 1936 and 1954, hacked several charming musical numbers;  Pretty Things, Lak Jeem and Minuet of the Minute but gave Jeanette MacDonald the Jewel Song  (Faust) as a sop.  Julie Andrews floats, quite exquistely, Door of my Dreams - she was playing Eliza Doolittle at Drury Lane at the time of this recording and the purity of her voice was at its finest.

I also recall the 1960 production at the Victoria Palace with Stephanie Voss in the title role and David Whitfield as Jim.  Oh, dear.  The mounties entered to line-up down stage but gradually decreased, in size, until the last one could have been Ronnie Corbett.    The set was a bit cluttered and, on their exit, they had to mark time to get offstage.   I hadn't seen anything so deliciously funny until a clearly camp movement group, straight out of 'Beyond Our Ken' swished onstage at the end  Act 1 of "Tristan & Isolde" at The Coli and reduced a hushed house to sheer delirium - the 'sailors' were all sacked the same night, I'm told.   Reggie Goodall was stricken with disbelief.  I still wonder who attended the run-through!
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« Reply #14 on: 22:08:56, 21-04-2008 »


The Drury Lane Theatre Orchestra recorded it in April 1925 (12" Columbia 9037) and I think this is the recording sung by Edith Day available at Amazon'

The Door Of My Dreams


Glad the information is appreciated. Just a bit more  Smiley Columbia 9037 was the recording of the orchestrations. Edith Day sang 'The Door of My Dreams' on 10" Columbia 3639, recorded on 25 March 1925. As well as the CD mentioned, it was previously re-issued in the 1970s on World Records LPs SH 138 and SH 371, and also on Evergreen LP MES 7058. Radio 3's Stage & Screen programme featured Edith Day once (1/11/04) singing the more popular tune 'Indian Love Call' oooooooooooooo

John
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