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thompson1780
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« on: 19:58:50, 21-04-2008 »
I've just been practising Ireland's Phantasie Trio for a rehearsal on Wednesday.  He strkes me as rather good.  Does anyone have anything interesting to say about him?

But not this sort of thing...

Quote from: Bryn on 01:51:13, 27-02-2008
Quote from: Sydney Grew on 01:08:59, 27-02-2008
Was not Ireland supposed to have been a homosexualist? He is certainly on the list.

As in most mammals, sexuality in humans is not binary in nature. There is something of a continuum. John Ireland was, by all accounts, infatuated with Ms. Perkin, the concerto's dedicatee and first performer. However, not long after she gave that performance, she took up with a male architect, and soon married him. Not long after that her she withdrew from her role as concert pianist.

Since his last housekeeper, a woman, destroyed many of his documents following his death, the matter of Ireland's sexuality is uncertain to this day. Perhaps he 'swung both ways'? Who knows? Who cares?

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Tommo
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« Reply #1 on: 20:44:23, 21-04-2008 »
Quote from: thompson1780 on 19:58:50, 21-04-2008
I've just been practising Ireland's Phantasie Trio for a rehearsal on Wednesday.  He strkes me as rather good.  Does anyone have anything interesting to say about him?

But not this sort of thing...

Quote from: Bryn on 01:51:13, 27-02-2008
Quote from: Sydney Grew on 01:08:59, 27-02-2008
Was not Ireland supposed to have been a homosexualist? He is certainly on the list.

As in most mammals, sexuality in humans is not binary in nature. There is something of a continuum. John Ireland was, by all accounts, infatuated with Ms. Perkin, the concerto's dedicatee and first performer. However, not long after she gave that performance, she took up with a male architect, and soon married him. Not long after that her she withdrew from her role as concert pianist.

Since his last housekeeper, a woman, destroyed many of his documents following his death, the matter of Ireland's sexuality is uncertain to this day. Perhaps he 'swung both ways'? Who knows? Who cares?

Thanks

Tommo

Don't you like the piano concerto, Tommo? It's a perennial favourite of mine. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: 00:28:28, 23-04-2008 »
The brass banders can point to A Downland Suite.  In particular the elegy is rather moving.  Ireland arranged a couple of the movements for string orchestra, but it seems he missed the point of his own music...

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« Reply #3 on: 17:49:39, 26-04-2008 »
Having just read the introduction and chapter 1 of this book



he seems a man of irreconcilable contrasts in all sorts of ways. Also a separated figure who doesn't fit into any 'school' easily. If I had to choose one composer with who I identify the most, it would be him. The piano music, though mostly miniatures, is damned complicated, and without a fine accidental-spotting toothcomb to hand there's very little hope.
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« Reply #4 on: 22:31:44, 26-04-2008 »
The first major set of Ireland's piano music was recorded by Alan Rowlands for Lyrita (in mono) when it was a subscription-only label: not at all easy to find second-hand. Now it's due on 3CDs at a special price:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_June08/REAM3112.htm
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« Reply #5 on: 02:21:23, 27-04-2008 »
Quote from: Eruanto on 17:49:39, 26-04-2008
be he would whom dear boy

. . . a fine accidental-spotting toothcomb . . .

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« Reply #6 on: 10:24:48, 23-07-2008 »
Are John Lenehan's recordings any good?
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« Reply #7 on: 11:08:45, 23-07-2008 »
I vaguely recall reading somewhere that he taught Britten for a while, and BB hated these lessons because JI was often drunk.

Curious that this thread should resurface: a couple of days ago I scampered through the Fantasy-Sonata. I have alot of revision to do on that one - damn shame  Wink
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