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martle
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« on: 22:34:54, 07-02-2007 »

Someone mentioned earlier the lack of music debate so far on this MB. Fair enough I reckon. We've been finding our feet, getting used to the surroundings, jumping on the furniture etc.

So here you go: I've been enjoying getting back into Adams's music this week - in particular the Klinghoffer extracts today. Very astute stuff I think. And JA's spoken contributions, especially concerning the Death of K controversy were really very interesting and honest. I'm still ambivalent about his output taken as a whole, but increasingly feel his is an important voice in this age. Am I alone in this?
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« Reply #1 on: 22:59:33, 07-02-2007 »

I only heard part of the Violin Concerto; without having heard the whole piece it is probably unfair of me to judge, but I found the first part deeply uninteresting note-spinning. Then my ears pricked up for the second part: some lovely string chords which I would have enjoyed longer contact with, then some rather fine orchestral sonorities. However, they, and much of the music that they clothed seemed to me incredibly close to the last movement of the Britten Violin Concerto. I have always thought that is one of Britten's finest pieces (and I am extremely suspicious of his output as a whole) and I felt Adams was apeing and diluting it.

For what it's worth, I still think the best Adams score I've heard is Harmonium.

By the way, Martle, the crate is chilling!!! Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: 23:23:49, 07-02-2007 »

R-muse: hic!, and cheers!
I know what you mean. That's what I mean by my ambivalence, I suppose; but it's precisely pieces such as Harmonium (a masterpiece, surely) and even Harmonielehre (not to mention Nixon, which is probably another debate entirely) which lead me to think that his output, as a whole, is rather significant - not only because of the musical quality, uneven though it may be, but because of the engagement with ideas, and with contemporary culture in visceral, dramatic contexts. I can't think of many composers today doing this a) honestly, or/ and b) with such broad appeal and understanding from a large public. And in Adams's case it's way too easy to accuse him of 'selling out'. Uneven, yes. Opportunist or charlatan, most certainly no. IMO.
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« Reply #3 on: 23:53:25, 07-02-2007 »

Yes - a piece like The Transmigration of Souls should, theoretically, in my book, be a "selling out" piece - pushing all the emotive buttons, "cashing in" on an horrific event - and yet, it manages to be better than that. Having said that, I can't say it's a piece I want to return to very often, which perhaps indicates that the balance between music and (for want of a better word) dramatic content is not quite right.

Adams is a decent conductor too - not just of his own or even just new music. (And, by the way, one of the best performances of The Hebrides Ov I ever heard was conducted by PMD!)
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« Reply #4 on: 11:37:13, 08-02-2007 »

I've enjoyed every piece I've heard by John Adams, somewhat to my surprise. There's a sense of melody in his work that I can't find in many other modern (or new, or contemproary, or whatever the label is) composers.

I haven't yet heard the Violin Concerto, though I'm keen to. I almost bought it on CD a few months ago but eventually decided not to take the risk. Was it played on Wednesday's Composer of the Week? If so I should have time to listen to it tonight.
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« Reply #5 on: 17:09:12, 08-02-2007 »

I was surprised by Adams music and I liked it a lot. I used to think it was primitive.
I even liked his violin concerto.
I can not say I liked his opera about hijacking, but even with this I may change my mind. It is strange to hear opera about problems of our times. May be I am used to listen to operas with historical subjects.

On the other note does any one knows if there is a spelling check here. I need it badly.  Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed
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« Reply #6 on: 22:52:54, 08-02-2007 »

I have now heard the violin concerto and I like it a lot. I found the first movement confusing and muddled, so I probably need to listen again and concentrate more. The second movement was beautiful.

I wasn't so interested in the opera but because I didn't pay too much attention to it I think I missed the meaning of the words. Perhaps I should listen to that again also.

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« Reply #7 on: 23:17:07, 08-02-2007 »

[What's synonym for; 'pleased'? use any of them]...to see John Adams being discussed here. I mostly post on the jazz board and feel somewhat more 'secure' there and don't have the fortitude to go through all the changes John Adams' music seems to inspire.

I would make a personal recommendation to the discussion: If you ever have the opportunity to view his El Nino, make the effort.

In the performance here in Los Angeles, the singing was always accompanied by a large-screen depicting the libretto. On the screen, it was a charge to see the Annunciation (Elizabeth to Mary) being held in a laundry room! And to have Mary give birth late at night in the parking lot of a K-Mart store...with the K-Mart security guards standing in for the shepherds!

I don't have any print here at the moment about the opening of this opera which was in Europe, I believe. But my recollection is that the critics just didn't get the significance of the on-screen story.
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« Reply #8 on: 23:27:36, 08-02-2007 »

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adams-El-Nino-Dawn-Upshaw/dp/B00005R0BH/sr=1-1/qid=1170976685/ref=sr_1_1/202-5064725-2163806?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

is well worth investigating.

There is also a DVD version of the version of "Death of Klinghoffer" broadcast by Channel 4. Definitely a movie production rather than a filmed stage production.
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« Reply #9 on: 01:25:24, 09-02-2007 »

Just been watching/listening to the Documentary 'extras' on the "El Niņ6" DVD.  I think SS! would have no difficulty agreeing with much, if not most, of what Adams has to say about music. Think is, when Adams has a go at Boulez, Stockhausen, Cage, etc., it's a bit like a son denouncing the ideas of the father he loves.

By the way, reasonably decent "In Our Time" on Radio 4 this week, on Popper (Karl that is, not the fluter). An mp3 of it can be downloaded from the Radio 4 pages.
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« Reply #10 on: 13:57:24, 09-02-2007 »

Bryn, How can you post at 1 o'clock in the morning?
I was listening to Adams on radio 3, but not terribly attentively. I thought it was good. I liked violin concerto. May be he is the real thing that will stay in history.
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« Reply #11 on: 14:22:02, 09-02-2007 »

I had been watching the documentary 'extras' (well worth checking out, by the way) on the DVD of Adams's "El Niņo", (Arthaus Musik 100 220). I have no remunerated work to do today, so stayed up late.
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« Reply #12 on: 20:09:11, 09-02-2007 »

did anybody hear Adam's piece September 11. I thought it was good.

What do people here thing about his music. Nobody seems to want to discuss it.  Sad Sad
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« Reply #13 on: 20:34:39, 09-02-2007 »

The Sept 11 piece is the one called The Transmigration of Souls - see message 4 above.
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« Reply #14 on: 20:55:23, 09-02-2007 »

I was thinking about this Transfiguration of Souls and I think, that this is Adam's weakest piece from what I heard.
I agree with Bryn's message. There is a weakness in it, may be it is reading of names or something.
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