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Author Topic: "Crazy" Bill Dixon & Braxton & stuff on that <hear & now> program  (Read 414 times)
King Kennytone
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« on: 00:02:26, 08-06-2008 »

I just listened to this, indeed still have it on, whatever the hell generic thing remains on in the background - 

Anyway, I was interested to note that in discussion (so called discussion) of Bill Dixon's work, the word "crazy" was used not once but twice -  is this some kinda first in the critique of so-called 'new music'?

Is Bill Dixon crazy? I believe he is a black man, something of a novelty then, in new music (so-called) circles. A bit scary then, probably crazy, probably intuitive, maybe he carries a knife ? - mebbe he talks to himself out loud on the night bus. mebbe he'll come round & rob your house.

Braxton was given short shrift [I'm never sure whether "short shrift" actually means anything -  is it a proper phrase, concept, construct, whatever? I don't know] - 1973 was the most recent piece played, a fragment of it anyway. Is this gonna be a START, or a brush off box-tick? - hell, you can hear longer clips on the goddam internet.

I think it was Syl Johnson (correct me if I'm wrong) who wrote Is It Because I'm Black in about 1972 - I only know the reggae version by Ken Boothe -  now, hell, man

Even Braxton's students (Pavone & Halvorson) were given more serious consideration (if you can call that kinda press-release journalism 'serious') than Brax himself. He was described as "a kind of Godfather" to some spurious coterie or scene, or whatever -  no mention of his academic standing of the last 30 odd years

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I can't go on

Same as it ever was £3 BBC
racism
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #1 on: 01:44:39, 08-06-2008 »

Is Bill Dixon crazy? I believe he is a black man, something of a novelty then, in new music (so-called) circles. . . . Is this gonna be a START, or a brush off box-tick? - hell, you can hear longer clips on the goddam internet. . . . He was described as "a kind of Godfather" to some spurious coterie or scene, or whatever -  no mention of his academic standing of the last 30 odd years

Same as it ever was £3 BBC racism


We suppose his real name must be "William" too; undue familiarity from the B.B.C. is never welcome is it. Persons not personally acquainted with him should refer to him as "Mr. Dixon." We have given up listening to "Hear and Now" because of its insularity; an excess of Englishmen and an overabandance of the Anglo-Saxon! The last time we heard anything enjoyable there was when they broadcast a symphony of Sylvestreff several years ago.

It may interest members to learn that in 1957 we thoroughly enjoyed reading the novel Giovanni's Room without at that time having any idea of the author's background or "race."  When later he was somehow persuaded to write about the subject we thought it a Great Mistake, and it ruined his Career. He descended from the spiritual to mere physicality did he not?

It may also interest members with a feeling for language to learn that the true meaning of the word "racism" is, according to the great Oxford English Dictionary, "the theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race." (Even there we see a confusion of physicalities and spiritualities do not we?) Unfortunately it is often confused with, and mistakenly used instead of, the even more sinister word "racialism." There is another interesting word, "racistic," that is seldom used but has appeared in the Observer.

We ourselves - who are in reality anything but - were once astonished to find ourselves accused of being a racialist, after we had the temerity to say an adverse word about the detestable Northern American "composer" Georg Gherkskin.
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« Reply #2 on: 07:05:02, 08-06-2008 »

M. Grew and HRH Kennytone: The Complete Conversations is going to be a slim volume indeed.
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George Garnett
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« Reply #3 on: 07:51:50, 08-06-2008 »

Braxton was given short shrift [I'm never sure whether "short shrift" actually means anything -  is it a proper phrase, concept, construct, whatever? I don't know]

Don Basilio, Our Man in the Confessional, is the one to give authoritative instruction here but it's all to do with 'shriving' i.e. doing penance for one's confessed sins (as on Shrove Tuesday when you do a lot of it).  'Short shrift' is what you do (or possibly receive, Don B?) when you don't have the time for more than a quickie. This could be if you are double-parked outside St Petroc's or, more notably, if you had just been sentenced to death and are about to be dragged outside for execution, you are given 'short shrift' by a priest on the way out.

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mr improv
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« Reply #4 on: 14:26:07, 09-06-2008 »

as ms meinhof would've said without hesitation
"kill the imperialist pig"
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« Reply #5 on: 17:57:54, 09-06-2008 »

crikey sidney grew man

yes i am a bit astonished having heard saturday's hear and now
just how much more interesting stuff is out there in the 'new music' world
i was aware very aware of bill dixon though not of this current project
and of braxton pavone halverson of course of course of course

but since i am mostly informed by hear and  now re current 'new music'
i seem to have only a handfull of names i can draw on at random
these being the rather local coterie of familiar much lauded names
hear and now seems to repeat ad infinitum

and i must say i come away at midnight often thinking
'heck that wasnt very differant or new or exciting'
but a lot of the stuff on saturday was from a much wider reaching net
and i was often on the edge of my seat thinking 'heck this is differant and exciting'

does anyone here [is there really anyone here?]
know of a better place to get to listen and be informed on 'new music'?
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« Reply #6 on: 18:41:03, 09-06-2008 »

Mr Improv, do you mean by that 'other' new music the Goehr, Mathews and Maderna pieces played on the same programme? As far as these labels mean anything, those are 'contemporary classical' rather than 'jazz' composers, and we talk about such things here quite a bit (on the 21st century* and 20th century boards). And an awful lot of far-out stuff gets discussed at Music and Society ( http://musicandsociety.myforum365.com/index.php ). Some of us here post there as well. Or is it vice versa?

*i.e. er, this one.
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Andy D
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« Reply #7 on: 19:04:42, 09-06-2008 »

Sounds like a really good programme - which I missed recording because I was on my way home when it started. Looks like I'll have to grab it from the awful and (probably) very slow LA.
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Andy D
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« Reply #8 on: 19:11:52, 09-06-2008 »

overabandance

 Huh

Mr Google says
Did you mean: over a barn dance

(he didn't actually)
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« Reply #9 on: 20:37:09, 09-06-2008 »

and i must say i come away at midnight often thinking
'heck that wasnt very differant or new or exciting'
but a lot of the stuff on saturday was from a much wider reaching net
and i was often on the edge of my seat thinking 'heck this is differant and exciting'

does anyone here [is there really anyone here?]
know of a better place to get to listen and be informed on 'new music'?
There are people here.

I can't say where better places are, except that I know there are getting to be fewer and fewer that are designed to reach a larger public. It's all a lot more fragmented now.

Also, you probably realize as well as I do that in the opinion of the radio programmers for most people "different and new" does NOT equal "exciting." -- or rather the exciting that results from different and new is not the kind of exciting that BBC listeners are said to seem to want.

Well, that's what the internet and do-it-yourself is for. But it'll be more bootleggy, less official, and unfortunately usually less professional and of dodgy quality.

"New music" means different things to different people, as martle suggested.
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King Kennytone
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« Reply #10 on: 11:27:58, 10-06-2008 »

http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/HP
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« Reply #11 on: 12:25:26, 10-06-2008 »

Coo,....thanks for that KK....proper job....
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