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John W
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« Reply #15 on: 00:23:22, 08-03-2007 »

I'm glad the Topic/Board 21st Century is being put to good use and I'm fascinated by lists of composers whom I've never heard, though it's likely they are writing forms of new music that wouldn't appeal to me (?)

In one posting above the description 'enormous potential' intrigues me, so I popped over to the Naxos catalogue where I know there is a considerable list of young composers in their books, presumably had and may still have potential, and I can easily list a good number (and could likely double that number) of young composers not yet mentioned in this thread. Is there reason(s) why none of the following recorded composers have not been listed here?

Eblis Alvarez b 1977
Lera Auerbach b 1973
Peter Boyer b 1970
Avner Dorman b 1975
John Eriksson b 1974
Nicola Ferro b 1974
Fredrick Hogberg b 1971
Michael Hersch b 1971
Juliana Hodkinson b 1971
Jexper Holman b 1971
Ruo Huang b 1976
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« Reply #16 on: 01:31:56, 08-03-2007 »

You mention so many names. Can anybody post a message on the board if any of this composers are played on radio 3, so I have a chance to hear it.


Alas, it's unlikely, or at least very rare.  In fact, of the names listed so far, I think (though I could be (very) mistaken), the only ones who have been broadcast on Hear & Now have been Andrew Hamilton (a week or two ago), Stuart Macrae, and myself (a year ago), though perhaps Jenny Walshe has also been included at some point. 

Most of these composers, though, have websites w/ sound files ... some have myspace pages ... and, well, I'd venture to guess that every single one of them would happily send you an mp3 or two via email if you asked nicely.
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« Reply #17 on: 10:12:25, 08-03-2007 »

A feauture and mp3 (that I think still works) for Marianthi Papalexandri-Alexandri:

http://www.dustedmagazine.com/features/342

Anthony Pateras has a CD on Tzadik:

http://www.anthonypateras.com/disc_6.php

Also quite like Jason Eckhardt and what I've heard of his 'Out of Chaos' disc on Mode...just over 35 :-D

http://www.ensemble21.com/eckardt/chaos.html
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« Reply #18 on: 10:19:27, 08-03-2007 »

R_T, These two composers from Russia sounds interesting to me. Especially Chechetko sounds very talented.

I don't know how one can attempt to know all these names that people posted. May be over time if one is persistent.
One has to have patience with oneself, go through as time allows.
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« Reply #19 on: 22:08:54, 28-03-2007 »

Mucho promise here generally, but mid-life apart, this word 'young' and composer is getting to be something of a
cliche I think. Having starved their way through college and been weathered to a healthy extent by experience,
a decent composer is I'd suggest no longer young and therefore has some promise of consistency about them.
Turnage comes to mind- nervy and a bit overwhelmed on his first appearances, but always on the way to hitting his stride; ironically accused of resting on his laurels after crafting so much complex durable work (you can never win with the vacuous end of the pundits of course).
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« Reply #20 on: 05:25:45, 29-04-2007 »

I've often wondered just what the fascination is with 'young' composers, as opposed to 'new' composers. If there is one institution in the new music world that truly irritates me, it is the composer competition with an (upper) age limit - something that seems to be becoming increasingly popular.

I am supposing that the reason for this is an expectation that composers, like other 'professionals' will pursue a 'conventional' career path, studying composition at a college or university in their late teens/early twenties, then studying for a higher degree in composition while entering a few composer competitions, trying to get some performances and commissions, hoping to bag a publishing deal before they hit thirty and then onwards and upwards until, hopefully, their efforts will be celebrated and admired by performers, listeners and colleagues at their fiftieth birthday retrospective.

I can't help thinking though of all those late-developers who just would not fit into this pattern. Elliot Carter was 35 in 1943. How significant are the works produced by that date to his current reputation? Similarly with Michael Tippett, who was 35 in 1940. And then you have wonderful exceptions to all the usual rules like Minna Keal, who gave up composing at the age of 20 because her life priorities changed, only coming back to it nearly 50 years later to produce a number of interesting and worthwhile compositions.

Again, apart from the 'career path' consideration, perhaps another reason for the focus on 'young' composers is the cult of youth in general, which has been a feature of western society for the past 50 years...

I find it much more useful to think about 'new' composers - those who seem to have something to say whom we have not had a chance to hear from before. This would naturally include 'young' composers, but might also encompass a few wrinkly late-starters, if their music is distinctive and interesting.

So, to broaden the original question, does anyone have any favourite little-known middle-aged (or older) composers that you think we might also want to know about?
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« Reply #21 on: 09:04:17, 29-04-2007 »

I've often wondered just what the fascination is with 'young' composers, as opposed to 'new' composers. If there is one institution in the new music world that truly irritates me, it is the composer competition with an (upper) age limit - something that seems to be becoming increasingly popular.

. . . Again, apart from the 'career path' consideration, perhaps another reason for the focus on 'young' composers is the cult of youth in general, which has been a feature of Western society for the past 50 years. . .

I find it much more useful to think about 'new' composers - those who seem to have something to say whom we have not had a chance to hear from before.

An excellent contribution there from Mr. Chakgogka!

But the cult of youth goes back further than fifty years. Here is Wyndham Lewis in 1926 ("The Art of Being Ruled"): "Some approximation to the super-young or the naïf is an universal fashionable expedient to-day: it is the cult of the child, which is a far more fundamental thing than the cult of the artist. For this exaggeration of something common to every time a great variety of explanations is offered. It is in Freudian language, for instance, the desire of man to return into the womb from whence he came: a movement of retreat and discouragement - a part of the great strategy of defeat suggested to or evolved by our bankrupt society. This has been well expressed in The Love Song of Prufrock . . . It is the diagnostic of a frantic longing to refresh, rejuvenate, and invigorate a life that, it is felt, has grown old and too unsimple, and lost its native direction. It is the most thoroughly organised reversal and returning on its steps of mankind that has occurred.

"All the channels of publicity however foster this thoroughly organised 'frantic longing.' It is a part of the great, and I believe fecund, solution of the problem of 'power.' For to make everybody 'like unto little children' is not such a bad way (to start with) of disposing of them. The political power that is taking command in the world to-day seems to have said to all those immature, inapertiva people, 'Run away and play!' Frightened and astonished, they ran away sure enough, and are allowed to play also, for a moment. But it will not be for long."

It all goes back to 1908 actually. Any one for a new game?
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« Reply #22 on: 09:19:24, 29-04-2007 »

   
I'm intrigued by your game, Sydney. Please start it !
[I thought you had already ?]
Chakgogka - tp is right - start a thread about middle-aged composers - new or undiscovered (?). 
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« Reply #23 on: 09:53:50, 29-04-2007 »

"Watching the English playing like children is one of the regular diversions at Deauville, where there are so few real children to play.

In the quiet of the afternoons between luncheon and tea on the rare days when there is no racing, English men and women come out to play with model yachts and kites and big rubber balls, and people of other nations stand and stare at the keen zest and serious purpose of these boyish men and girlish women recapturing something of the simple joys of childhood.

A tall, blond man with the carriage of a guardsman and the limbs of a heavy-weight boxer comes striding down the shore, an old sun-hat on his head, and in his hand a toy yacht, cutter-rigged, designed and built to withstand the toy tempest.

A slender girl rushes up from the sea to meet him. She may be twenty or she may be thirty. When a woman keeps her figure she can also keep the secret of her age; but whatever her age, she is now a little girl again walking beside a big boy, and begging prettily to be allowed to play with the beautiful boat. . . .

Millionaires from the Argentine, from Manhattan, from the Middle West, from Central Europe, and from the Far East, watch in wonder the childish play of the English man and the English woman, so proud of their toy, so concerned for its safety. Young Frenchmen resting from their hard-fought games on the tennis-courts smile with more than a suggestion of contempt; but the boy-man and the girl-woman heed them not at all.

Happy childhood is calling through the years, and they are content to play, unashamed of their joy in the childish game, and glad to lay aside the burden of years for one fleeting hour while the sun shines and the sea sparkles and the world seems made for play." (Newspaper report, August 1925)
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« Reply #24 on: 10:42:10, 29-04-2007 »

Very interesting post from chakgogka, especially on the whole cult of 'youth' that is so prevalent in Western society today, which fuels the cosmetics and fashion industry, using bullying tactics through advertising and the like to try and make people (especially women) feel guilty for not looking younger than they are. I'm going to say something really contentious here, so you have been warned: in this cult of youth, innocence (as opposed to experience and intelligence), fresh-facedness, physical nubility, which can be seen in the whole images created around many musicians, I do detect elements of sublimated pederasty. In the UK in particular, I feel there remains an inability to come to terms with sexuality as an adult phenomenon, so that the iconography of the sexually alluring being is associated with being like a 'boy' or 'girl' rather than man or woman (in France the situation is very different, where sophistication, wisdom, experience seem to be viewed as erotically alluring qualities).

As far as musicians are concerned, Vinko Globokar is another composer who didn't begin until he was in his 30s.

Regarding middle-aged composers who are less well-known, I would advocate Gordon Downie, James Erber, Richard Emsley, Volker Heyn, Robert H.P. Platz, Mark R. Taylor amongst others.
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« Reply #25 on: 13:48:21, 29-04-2007 »

Totally, Chig and Ian ,it all connects...middle-youth (which Syd's very interesting find above illustrates in not new,
and the timing is also interesting) is seemingly an extension of it. The paradox is that our population is ageing,
(reportedly forming the bulk of the classical audience, and assumed to be nostalgic for its youth?). The process
of growing up rapidly (as I've just been reading in a  biography of Peter Sellers which touches on the cultural ripples well) in terms of the consequences of rites of passage seems also to create sacrificial figures, pace The Rite
of Spring?
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« Reply #26 on: 02:38:09, 30-04-2007 »

You mention so many names. Can anybody post a message on the board if any of this composers are played on radio 3, so I have a chance to hear it.


Alas, it's unlikely, or at least very rare.  In fact, of the names listed so far, I think (though I could be (very) mistaken), the only ones who have been broadcast on Hear & Now have been Andrew Hamilton (a week or two ago), Stuart Macrae, and myself (a year ago), though perhaps Jenny Walshe has also been included at some point. 

Most of these composers, though, have websites w/ sound files ... some have myspace pages ... and, well, I'd venture to guess that every single one of them would happily send you an mp3 or two via email if you asked nicely.

Forgive me for coming late to this, but Spencer's been played on Hear and Now (Toxic Knuckle Bones, 2002) also...
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« Reply #27 on: 12:23:53, 30-04-2007 »


Regarding middle-aged composers who are less well-known, I would advocate Gordon Downie, James Erber, Richard Emsley, Volker Heyn, Robert H.P. Platz, Mark R. Taylor amongst others.

I'd add Georg Friedrich Haas to that list too Ian...
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« Reply #28 on: 13:35:48, 30-04-2007 »

I've often wondered just what the fascination is with 'young' composers, as opposed to 'new' composers. If there is one institution in the new music world that truly irritates me, it is the composer competition with an (upper) age limit - something that seems to be becoming increasingly popular.

Of course, there is the converse of this, that (very many) young composers have to make do in a world that has "expectations" of them as "young composers".  The composer competition doesn't sound like a terribly fun game to me!
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« Reply #29 on: 16:25:23, 30-04-2007 »


Regarding middle-aged composers who are less well-known, I would advocate Gordon Downie, James Erber, Richard Emsley, Volker Heyn, Robert H.P. Platz, Mark R. Taylor amongst others.

I'd add Georg Friedrich Haas to that list too Ian...

I'd think that GFH is quite far beyond the "less well-known" category, w/ a pretty substantial discography and a publishing contract from UE.
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