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« Reply #30 on: 16:29:03, 30-04-2007 »


Regarding middle-aged composers who are less well-known, I would advocate Gordon Downie, James Erber, Richard Emsley, Volker Heyn, Robert H.P. Platz, Mark R. Taylor amongst others.

I'd add Georg Friedrich Haas to that list too Ian...

I'd think that GFH is quite far beyond the "less well-known" category, w/ a pretty substantial discography and a publishing contract from UE.

Sure, but less well known in terms of performances in the UK was my thinking...
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« Reply #31 on: 16:45:36, 30-04-2007 »

I've often wondered just what the fascination is with 'young' composers, as opposed to 'new' composers. If there is one institution in the new music world that truly irritates me, it is the composer competition with an (upper) age limit - something that seems to be becoming increasingly popular.

Of course, there is the converse of this, that (very many) young composers have to make do in a world that has "expectations" of them as "young composers".  The composer competition doesn't sound like a terribly fun game to me!

Speaking as a "young composer," it is indeed a weird thing.  Not that I haven't benefitted from it - a good deal of the institutional recognition I have gotten in the form of prizes etc. has been young composer this, student composer that, so I can't complain too much about the emphasis; but it is quite obviously and stiflingly artificial, so that when I am lucky enough to come across a performer or ensemble that is genuinely interested in my work rather than in the relation of my work to that of others my age, or whatnot, it is quite refreshing.

It's also fascinating to me how widely the definition of "young" can vary.  I've seen it defined as under 25 through under 50 or so, and the adjective turns up as a descriptor in some very unexpected places (I saw Rebecca Saunders described as an "emerging composer" recently...)

But, after all that, I think it's also important to be a bit realistic and realize that, while "composition competitions" and such are clearly artificial and a bit pathological in that artificiality, that the career of the composer, most particularly the unknown composer, is in many ways a competition.  The main difference may be whether the expenses come in the form of entry fees or of postage and out-of-pocket travel!
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« Reply #32 on: 00:33:58, 06-05-2007 »


Regarding middle-aged composers who are less well-known, I would advocate Gordon Downie, James Erber, Richard Emsley, Volker Heyn, Robert H.P. Platz, Mark R. Taylor amongst others.

I'd add Georg Friedrich Haas to that list too Ian...

I'd think that GFH is quite far beyond the "less well-known" category, w/ a pretty substantial discography and a publishing contract from UE.

Sure, but less well known in terms of performances in the UK was my thinking...

Yes, "well-known" is a somewhat relative term. For example, I gather that Augusta Read Thomas is hard to avoid in the US these days, but in Germany you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who'd heard of her.

PS GFH = Georg Friedrich Haas AND Georg Friedrich Händel (I just noticed that for the first time)
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« Reply #33 on: 00:36:29, 06-05-2007 »

GFH = Georg Friedrich Haas AND Georg Friedrich Händel (I just noticed that for the first time)

Extraordinary how extraordinary some things can seem at 1 in the morning!
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« Reply #34 on: 09:00:15, 06-05-2007 »

GFH = Georg Friedrich Haas AND Georg Friedrich Händel (I just noticed that for the first time)
Extraordinary how extraordinary some things can seem at 1 in the morning!
And then at 10 in the morning... well, anyway.

Or George Frideric Handel as he called himself once he got to England.

Bach apparently said "[Handel] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach."

Apparently.
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« Reply #35 on: 01:04:44, 07-05-2007 »

I can't say I'm at all convinced by the music of Haas. If there's anyone here who likes it perhaps they could be so kind as to say something about why...
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« Reply #36 on: 01:08:48, 07-05-2007 »

I can't say I'm at all convinced by the music of Haas. If there's anyone here who likes it perhaps they could be so kind as to say something about why...

I will when I get a hold of my CDs (currently in work while I recuperate)...suffice to say for the moment that I heard some of his stuff in Darmstadt 2004 and thought it was fairly weak...then I re-heard a performance in the UK and the piece (played by the same players I think) came alive in a different way...it was concerned with "beatings" and microtunings and it really came off in the second performance. I think his early stuff is fairly run-of-the-mill, but have been impressed by the more recent output...that ok for now?
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« Reply #37 on: 02:44:57, 07-05-2007 »

The problem is that the pre-conditions of making these sounds are so restrictive that it often has the character of a laboratory experiment. The strings need to be tuned exactly so, and then only natural harmonics can be employed, lest an unclean interval occur that destroys the entire effect.

[Naturally that doesn't apply to everything he has written. Not by any means!!! But this strategy in one of his string quartetties reveals an attitude toward his medium that strikes me as somewhat lacking in imagination. Yes, this is what one would call an inadequate criticism, like criticizing Scelsi for not being imaginative with his rhythm.]

The other problem is that we need a new thread if we want to continue talking about Haas. He's simply not a 'young composer', let alone unacknowledged.
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