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Author Topic: Max the Mighty  (Read 1306 times)
time_is_now
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« on: 17:34:55, 10-04-2007 »

Couldn't decide whether to put this in 20th century or 21st century, but I thought I'd go for the 'forward-looking; option ... Wink


Various contributors know the story of how Peter Maxwell Davies was the first living composer whose work I really got to know, so I won't tell that one again except to say that it was the First Symphony I encountered first, followed rapidly by Nos 3, 4, 5 and the (then-new) 6, plus several of the Strathclyde Concertos and other things available on Collins Classics and Unicorn-Kanchana at the time. I worked my way back to the 60s and earlier 70s pieces, though there are a lot of those I didn't know until Decca brought out this rather useful compendium a couple of years back:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Maxwell-Davies-Portrait-Peter/dp/B0002EQ404/ref=sr_1_13/203-0733541-3225529?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1176221883&sr=8-13

Highly recommended!


More recently I'd had the impression the orchestral music was becoming as repetitive and uninteresting as Max's detractors had been saying for a long time (whereas I still think the middle symphonies are underrated, and the generic name 'Strathclyde Concerto' hides a multitude of gems), and I found PMD's own professed desire to give up symphonies in favour of (I quote from his own publicity) 'a late concentration on chamber music' to be a particularly acute case of a neglected composer cultivating even more neglect by telling other people what was and wasn't worth listening to in his own output, particularly since I'd had a bad experience with one of the string quartets in question while, contrariwise, having been impressed by 2 or 3 recent larger-ensemble works I'd heard (Linguae ignis, De Assumtione Beatae Mariae Virginis, Seven Skies of Winter ...).

I now want to publicly eat my words. I finally decided it was time to have another go at the recent quartet cycle, and the disc I bought and listened to this weekend - Naxos Quartets Nos 3 and 4 (the former an intendedly abstract work which got derailed by the invasion of Iraq, leading to an almost 60s-Max-ish parodic 'In Nomine' treatment signifying, in relation to the actions of the British Government, 'not in my name'; the latter a shorter single-movement work inspired by Brueghel, both thematically and in terms of the issue of 'perspective' which fascinates Davies so much) - was rather impressive, and on a first hearing seemed completely free of the longueurs I thought I'd suffered in hearing one of the earlier Naxos Quartets on the radio.


Anyone else want to jump in here? I'll come back later with more thoughts, if the thread takes off ...
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« Reply #1 on: 17:40:25, 10-04-2007 »

I'd much prefer to think of Max as writing good music, so it's very encouraging to read your comments. I've largely lost sight of his work in the past twenty years or so, and what I've heard in that time has tended to go in through one ear and out through the other (though that could just be because there's nothing to impede its passage). So much music, so little time.
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« Reply #2 on: 18:54:17, 10-04-2007 »

'Eight Songs for a Mad King', of course - like 'Miss Donnithorne's Maggot' quite a lot as well.

http://www.maxopus.com/cgi-bin/reclib.cgi?others=cover015


My first experience of PMD's music was that Naxos disc, borrowed from my local library sometime last year. Unlike t_i_n, I had a  very 'in one ear out of through the other' - type reaction I'm afraid, but I didn't give it much time.

What about his work for the 'Fires of London' group, what would be the highlights?

http://www.maxopus.com/organisa/fires.htm
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« Reply #3 on: 18:57:01, 10-04-2007 »

Sorry the highlights are listed, thinking of the golden nuggets from that period that no one cares to mention as much..
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« Reply #4 on: 19:09:05, 10-04-2007 »

I would certainly like to eat my previous words to the effect that nothing of his written in the last 30 years had really grabbed me, so I'll have a peek at t-i-n's recommendation when I'm next in a House of Temptation.

My own personal highlights are (I'll probably forget a couple...)

Worldes Blis (one of my favourite orchestral pieces)
Eight Songs for a Mad King (mentioned already - but how many of us here have had the wine that's named after it? I have and it's a fine ballsy Aussie shiraz in the grand tradition)
Vesalii Icones
St Thomas Wake, Second Taverner Fantasia (anyone going to write a Tavener fantasia at some point? could be amusing...), Symphony no. 1 (three more very fine, chunky, geological orchestral pieces)
Ave maris stella (one of my very favourite pieces of chamber music - for me the description on the maxopus site as being among "the most outstanding examples of pure chamber music written in the late twentieth century" is overly modest)

I would dearly love to hear Taverner some day. Or better yet of course see it.
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« Reply #5 on: 19:18:26, 10-04-2007 »

Re Fires of London work, xyzzz__, not much of it around on CD these days but Ave maris stella, as endorsed by Ollie, is still available and most definitely a highlight. That plus the Decca 2CD set I linked to above should keep you busy for a while, maybe complemented by Symphony No 1, for which you'd currently have to go for the fast-but-messy Decca Rattle reissue, unless you can lay your hands on a used copy of Max's own safe-but-sometimes-slow Collins Classics reading.

My personal favourites, besides Symphony No 1, would have to include the Trumpet Concerto, the Flute Concerto (Strathclyde Concerto No 6, I think), A Mirror of Whitening Light, Hymnos, and ... well, once I've explored a few more Naxos Quartets I'll come back to you on those.
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« Reply #6 on: 10:26:28, 01-05-2007 »

I listened to Max's Third Symphony for the first time yesterday. I need to listen again, but I found myself reflecting whether it (or its counterparts) stand a chance of being performed in a concert hall again.

Max's music needs more patience than most people are willing to give. The majority of his output has no 'hook' to draw you back to explore further; you need to attend closely on first hearing.

The other snag of course is that Unicorn-Kanchana and Collins (his staunchest recording supporters) are no more. Forgetting the concert hall, how much of this will ever see the light of day again even on CD (his own download service notwithstanding)?
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« Reply #7 on: 22:59:16, 10-05-2007 »

Image Reflection Shadow
2nd Tavener Fantasia (marvellously panic stricken sounding recording on decca)
Antichrist
Worldes Bliss (as with Oliver,this is also one of my favourite orchestral pieces)
Symphony No.3
Farewell to Stromness
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« Reply #8 on: 01:35:43, 12-05-2007 »

I would also put in a word for The Lighthouse, watching which was the only time I can recall being really quite scared in the opera house.
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« Reply #9 on: 14:49:33, 12-05-2007 »

I would certainly like to eat my previous words to the effect that nothing of his written in the last 30 years had really grabbed me, so I'll have a peek at t-i-n's recommendation when I'm next in a House of Temptation.

My own personal highlights are (I'll probably forget a couple...)
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Ave maris stella (one of my very favourite pieces of chamber music - for me the description on the maxopus site as being among "the most outstanding examples of pure chamber music written in the late twentieth century" is overly modest)
The pieces he wrote with Fires in mind are all well worth a close look and listen. I second jenny's mention of Image, Reflection, Shadow -- it's the first PMD experience I ever had, and the next 2 or 3 pieces I wrote were horrible, transparent knock-offs of same. The cimbalom is used with very good results! Perhaps that was what my imitations were missing. No it was something else...

IRS is also where I adopted the notation of using a colon ( : ) to mean subito, as in :pp or :flautando or :MM=72.

Also scary (not like Lighthouse, though) is Runes from A Holy Island. Overall, I'm glad there's a Max thread. Can anyone tell me which of these Strathclyde Concertos (to which I started with an aversion and thus avoided) is most worth a listen? Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #10 on: 17:15:49, 12-05-2007 »

I would certainly like to eat my previous words to the effect that nothing of his written in the last 30 years had really grabbed me, so I'll have a peek at t-i-n's recommendation when I'm next in a House of Temptation.

My own personal highlights are (I'll probably forget a couple...)
...
Ave maris stella (one of my very favourite pieces of chamber music - for me the description on the maxopus site as being among "the most outstanding examples of pure chamber music written in the late twentieth century" is overly modest)
The pieces he wrote with Fires in mind are all well worth a close look and listen. I second jenny's mention of Image, Reflection, Shadow -- it's the first PMD experience I ever had, and the next 2 or 3 pieces I wrote were horrible, transparent knock-offs of same. The cimbalom is used with very good results! Perhaps that was what my imitations were missing. No it was something else...

IRS is also where I adopted the notation of using a colon (Smiley to mean subito, as in :pp or :flautando or :MM=72.

Also scary (not like Lighthouse, though) is Runes from A Holy Island. Overall, I'm glad there's a Max thread. Can anyone tell me which of these Strathclyde Concertos (to which I started with an aversion and thus avoided) is most worth a listen? Thanks in advance.

I'd try the cello one or the oboe one. Avoid the "trumpet and horn" one at all costs...
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« Reply #11 on: 11:30:47, 14-05-2007 »

Can anyone tell me which of these Strathclyde Concertos (to which I started with an aversion and thus avoided) is most worth a listen? Thanks in advance.
The flute one (no. 6) is lovely, and its companion on disc (no. 5, for violin & viola and a Haydn-sized orchestra) is not bad either IIRC, so I'd definitely go for that disc - if you can still get it! All the Collins Classics Strathclydes and Symphonies are sadly out of print. They ought to be available on made-to-order compilations through www.maxopus.com but I'm not sure whether anyone's manning that website since the demise of Judy Arnold. It looked suspiciously un-updated last time I checked it out.

Needless to say, a PM would sort out anything you can't track down commercially. I'm always more than happy to help.

Your experience with the Strathclydes mirrors mine with the 'Naxos Quartets': starting with an aversion and avoiding them for too long before realising they're actually rather good! I'm pleased to report that I've now enjoyed a further installment of those quartets on CD.
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« Reply #12 on: 17:23:26, 21-05-2007 »

What with Naxos's current £3.99 promotion, I thought I'd make a start on the quartets. But beginning at the beginning, I can't say nos. 1 and 2 are making much impression. Before you revised your opinion, which was your first encounter with them, t_i_n?
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« Reply #13 on: 17:30:38, 21-05-2007 »

I must admit, Tim, it was nos 1 & 2 that put me off when they were premiered! Undecided

When I returned to the cycle by buying CDs it was nos 3 & 4 that I picked up first, and enjoyed. I've now also heard 7 & 8, and 5 & 6 are in the listening pile.
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« Reply #14 on: 17:33:43, 21-05-2007 »

I wondered if it was  Wink

I'll give 3 +4 a go, then see how I feel about the rest...
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