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Author Topic: Lisa Milne sings Janis Joplin  (Read 772 times)
HtoHe
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« on: 20:56:45, 17-08-2007 »

Was anyone else favourably impressed by this?  I can't remember when I last heard a highly-trained singer put their training aside temporarily to give such a convincing blues/rock performance.  Apparently she had come straight from Mahler 4 and had been rehearsing *both* concerts during the day.  Normally I hate this kind of stuff: it comes across as phoney and a waste of a good voice.  But LM seems to be able to switch from one voice to the other as appropriate.  Or have I just been conned by a clever mimic? Perhaps that's it.  She was less convincing in the Jacques Brel songs Radio 3 broadcast as fillers; perhaps because there was less scope for mimicking the original in those.  But if I was conned I still enjoyed it!

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« Reply #1 on: 21:25:49, 17-08-2007 »

It came on while I was in the car today, although I'd already set up the timer for it, with some trepidation. OK, she's not Joplin (who else could be?) but she has a total command of the idiom, and there was no hint of the opera singer (a Met Pamina, for heaven's sake) in there at all. My immediate thought was 'not since Berberian has there been such a chameleon singer': I could have done without the intrusive studio introductions, because her own were brilliant and enhanced the proceedings: here's a performer who knows how to handle an audience. A real treat. My only regret was that it made her pulling out of "Our Hunting Fathers" at the Proms even more of a disappointment: she would have grabbed it by the throat and made it magic.
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« Reply #2 on: 23:48:29, 17-08-2007 »

My partner has always been a very big (in every sense) Janis Joplin fan so I felt I owed it to listen to this performance despite spending time shovelling cereal and fighting off cats. I felt that she really did justice to Janice's memory.
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« Reply #3 on: 21:27:46, 19-08-2007 »

What programme was this?  Huh
Is it still available on Listen Again?

I want to hear it!  Shocked Shocked
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« Reply #4 on: 21:49:54, 19-08-2007 »

It was last Friday at 1pm ( the start of Afternoon on 3), Mr Y, so it should still be available for several days yet.
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« Reply #5 on: 22:20:01, 19-08-2007 »

Thank you, Ron Dough!

I realise now this is posted in the 'Afternoon on 3'-section, so I should have known!
I'm listening to it as I speak.

Thanks  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: 09:09:54, 20-08-2007 »

I turned on at 2 pm for the Prom repeat so I heard the last nine  minutes andI,mmafraid In thougth it was ghastly.

If she really did lay aside her training then it was a mistake to do so.


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« Reply #7 on: 09:56:20, 20-08-2007 »

I turned on at 2 pm for the Prom repeat so I heard the last nine  minutes andI,mmafraid In thougth it was ghastly. If she really did lay aside her training then it was a mistake to do so.
It would have been infinitely worse had she tried to sing the material with the 'trained' voice, smittims: that would have been as eargrinding as most of the big names who have tried 'crossover' albums and fallen with stunning accuracy between both stools. It's not exactly a question of laying aside the training in any case: the breathing and support techniques are just as essential for belting as for Mozart. I suspect what really irked you was that you didn't like the style of the material, and the fact that the performer showed herself absolutely at home in it. If you don't care for the genre, then that's fine, but I can't see that it ever makes any sense to berate somebody for adopting the correct style. If an American rock (or a Northern club) singer should decide to record an album of tenor arias, but reinterpret them in their habitual voices, then they are surely laying themselves wide open to criticism, but there is not one jot less artistry or technique involved in interpreting the genre that Ms Milne performed for that Orkney recital than there is in performing opera if it is to be done properly and establish intimate communication with an audience in the way that was stunningly evident from the broadcast.

Just the last nine minutes, by the way? In which case, most of what you heard was from Jaques Brel filler, which was another genre again...

A performer has just as much right to explore different styles as does a composer. Personal antipathy towards particular genres can never justify adverse criticism of idiomatic performances therein.
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« Reply #8 on: 10:11:04, 20-08-2007 »

Thanks,Ron.

I freely admit I have no idea who Janis Joplin is or was(any relation to  Scott?) ,or indeed Jaques Brel. I was simply offering my view as a BBC licence payer who likes to listen to music.

I was amused by what I took ,rightly or wrongly, to be the implication in message 1 that is is somehow a good thing for musicians to lay aside their training,as if it is somehow a bad habit we are all better off without.
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« Reply #9 on: 10:21:27, 20-08-2007 »

And thank you, Smittims, for replying so quickly and honestly. This is exactly the sort of exchange which convinces me that this tends to be a far healthier forum for discussion than The other Place, where by now daggers would doubtless already be drawn and the carrion trolls mustering for their own subsequent rampage.

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« Reply #10 on: 15:02:53, 20-08-2007 »

I was amused by what I took ,rightly or wrongly, to be the implication in message 1 that is is somehow a good thing for musicians to lay aside their training,as if it is somehow a bad habit we are all better off without.

My message certainly didn't mean to imply that it was a good thing per se to lay aside ones training, smittims.  I merely meant that it was unusual for someone with such training to be able to switch to a different idiom so convincingly.  If you dislike rock music you might have difficulty even with the concept of such music being performed well but, trust me, someone who brings even a vestige of operatic or lieder style to rock, blues or even jazz singing will ruin it for those who do like it.  Lisa Milne sounded like she could be a first rate rock singer if she wanted to and such versatility is very rare.
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« Reply #11 on: 15:12:42, 20-08-2007 »

The odd feature of listening to the R3 Lunchtime Concert on Friday (17 Aug) was not its content; The Songs of Janis Joplin; but the rather bizarre time of day for such a broadcast and it may well have been a fist-in-the-face for some listeners.

Once again, my memory started to unfurl as I recalled David Hare's play 'Teeth 'n' Smiles' at the Royal Court Theatre late 1975.   A young Helen Mirren played Maggie, cleverly embodying Joplin characteristics, as the temperamental star of a travelling rock-group, contracted to play at a Jesus College May Ball, Cambridge, 1969 - the same year that I sat in thrall at a Sunday night Frank Zappa gig at the the Palace Theatre, Manchester.  And the Broadway Cast of 'Jacques Brel is Alive and Well and Living in Paris' had played at the Duchess Theatre in London.

The rock group are already 90 mins late at the May Ball and the gig is further delayed by a fault in an unconnected plug to their amplifier and the polemics of the play centre on the British malaise, at the time, ostensibly over lines of demarcation but delving for richer pickings.

Ronald Bryden's review for Plays & Players:

"...The British disease?  Demarcation dispute?  No, this is a skirmish in the latest battle of an older, undeclared war.  When the plug is finally connected, musical aggro sprays itself over the theatre with a roar like machine guns.   'Teeth 'n' Smiles' is about the challenge of pop music in the 60s to the way privilege has regrouped itself in Britain since 1945: to the citadels of meritocracy, the playing fields of competitive education, the boys and girls from good, book-lined homes who climb effortlesssly from grammar school to Oxbridge to the executive jobs advertised, alongside Heal's furniture and the latest biography of Virginia Woolf, in the columns of the Sunday Times...."

Could have been stimulating if R3 had repeated/revived? Hare's play for the Sunday evening drama slot before broadcasting the concert from the St Magnus Festival.   Perhaps only a casual indicator of Janis Joplin's private Furies but Lisa Milne clearly grasped them.   Another case of A Time There Was!

 
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« Reply #12 on: 22:59:34, 21-08-2007 »

I have listened to Lisa Milne's Joplin songs twice in the last two days.  I liked 'Ball and chain' the best, was inspired by 'Get it while you can' and have the 'Mercedes Benz' song in my head all the time - I think that's a brilliant song.  I have been checking out Janis Joplin recordings consequently, and noticed Ms Milne copied Joplin's yells exactly: calling out 'Everybody!' before the last verse, and ending with 'That's it!' and a chuckle.  You can tell she's a sincere and devoted fan (also by her heartfelt introduction to 'Little Girl Blue' - she seems such a nice and warm personality  Smiley).

I agree that it's utterly amazing that a classicaly trained singer can sound so convincingly rock/blues-y.  Having her in my ear as a Britten Governess, then hearing her in this material: I too was stunned by the transformation.  I agree that it can't be so much a question of laying her technique aside, rather than using a different technique - as she points out with the chest voice thing.  Comparing her with Janis Joplin herself, I don't have that awful feeling that she's hurting and destroying her voice by singing - I believe, as Ron points out, that the breath support was still there and that the voice wasn't strained too much.

I have that cd Anne Sofie Von Otter made with Elvis Costello, and even though she does a nice job singing pop songs, IMO, she still sounds like a classical singer, sometimes uncomfortably so.  She really has to keep her voice under control and can't sing so freely as she's used to.  All the more praise for Lisa Milne's achievement.  I think it's a token of intelligence in a singer when he or she is able to switch styles: it proves they're not blindly applying what they learned in singing class, and can see further then the boundaries set out there, reflecting and consciously working with their voice to achieve the style of singing that fits the music best.  Lisa Milne proves she's not merely a classical vocalist, but a SINGER, tout court

Thanks HtoHe for posting this topic.

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« Reply #13 on: 23:06:16, 22-08-2007 »


I have listened to Lisa Milne's Joplin songs twice in the last two days.  I liked 'Ball and chain' the best


I thought 'Cry Baby' was stunning.


Thanks HtoHe for posting this topic.



Thanks to you and everyone else for the thoughtful responses, MrYorick.
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