eruanto
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« on: 21:37:54, 27-08-2007 » |
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Which make of CD-R should I go for?
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #1 on: 22:12:39, 27-08-2007 » |
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It's not quite that easy, eru: depends on what you're burning them on: different blanks are better suited to different recorders. The only definitive tip I'll offer is this: if it's important, burn it twice onto two different makes of blank: then if one goes down, you've still got another copy.
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eruanto
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« Reply #2 on: 22:17:37, 27-08-2007 » |
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I'll bear that in mind, Ron, thanks.
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Colin Holter
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« Reply #3 on: 23:42:11, 27-08-2007 » |
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I don't know if they do this in the UK, but here in the States CD-R manufacturers sometimes offer mail-in rebates that translate, ultimately, to free blank discs. Once you come across the brand that works best with your hardware, it's always good to keep an eye out for these deals.
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TimR-J
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« Reply #4 on: 10:18:46, 28-08-2007 » |
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Once you come across the brand that works best with your hardware
If this isn't a stupid question, how do you determine this? Is is just a question of sound quality, or is it also to do with how slowly the burn deteriorates?
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« Last Edit: 10:21:06, 28-08-2007 by TimR-J »
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #5 on: 10:57:29, 28-08-2007 » |
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It's not a stupid question at all, but a hard one to answer, though some burner manufacturers recommend specific blanks as the best for their product, either in the documentation supplied or on their website. The article here, although primarily for photo archiving, gives some interesting pointers. If you're going to be using them a lot, it's probably worth buying in bulk from a web-based specialist who will list what manufacter has actually produced the discs, though some burning software will also have a disc analysing page which will tell you exactly what source you're disc acme from and even its composition. While we're at it, cases are a minefield, too. Last week in London I spent some time with a sound engineer comparing notes, and one of the points he made about CD-Rs was that they have one less layer than a normal CD, and that the internal structure is therefore less stable. Any case which grips them tightly at the centre hole (to the point where one has to wrestle them off e.g.) is likely to create considerable damage. Sleeves, obviously, avoid this problem, but for those wanting boxes - especially slim doubles - this is a real issue. I've just found something that may be the answer: I ordered them late last night, so I'll say nothing more until they arrive. (He also suggested, incidentally, that playing recorded CD-Rs a couple of times after burning might further improve the quality of the recording by reintroducing heat to the critical area.)
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TimR-J
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« Reply #6 on: 11:02:49, 28-08-2007 » |
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Thanks for the info Ron. At the moment I just buy Verbatims in bulk from Rymans, but I see I should probably do a bit more research...
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #7 on: 11:06:03, 28-08-2007 » |
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If it's any consolation, none of the Verbatims I've used shows any sign of a problem whatsoever: definitely one of the better makes, I'd say.
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Andy D
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« Reply #9 on: 12:12:40, 28-08-2007 » |
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If you're burning on a PC use the slowest possible speed, that way you should get fewer errors. Who, other than a pirate, really needs to burn a CD @ 48x? I'm currently using imation CD-Rs on the PC which seem OK.
I've got a Yamaha CDR-HD1300 hard disc recorder which I'm sure must produce better burns although I've got no evidence for this. The choice of CD-Rs is more limited since it will only use audio discs, not computer ones. I use TDK or Maxell.
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Bryn
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« Reply #10 on: 20:36:15, 28-08-2007 » |
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The Windsor branch of Jessops closes tomorrow. In preparation for this cessation, they have ben sellin off their stock. I got several hundred CD-Rs and DVD-Rs of three different brands: Infiniti, Samsung Pleomax, and "Best". All seem to burn well. Mind you, the most expensive cost as much as 4p each! They do have a printable upper surface, however, so I'm not too put out at the relatively high cost, (the cheapest worked out at less then 2p each). ;-)
Also got a couple of Lithium Ion camcorder batteries for my old JVC GR-DVL9500. They were reduced from £38.99 to 1p. Charged up fine.
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eruanto
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« Reply #11 on: 13:10:11, 29-08-2007 » |
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I notice that some manufacturers take care to label their CD-Rs as "audio". Does the presence or non-presence of this word make any difference in quality to the finished product?
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #12 on: 13:49:10, 29-08-2007 » |
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The 'audio' label usually means that the discs are intended for use with audio CD recorders, which have extra requirements not relevant to those being used in a computer burner. You can use audio specified discs in a PC, should you wish, but if you're using a stand-alone audio recorder you have no choice: you have to use the audio discs, which are generally more expensive. I'd strongly advise against stick-on paper labels, by the way: a dedicated marker pen is a much safer bet. Incidentally, the TDK ones, which are excellent, turn out to be re-labelled Stabilo 'write-4-all' Superfines, which a decent stationers may very well stock at a better price than the TDKs: there are two other nib thicknesses available, Fine and Medium, so make sure it's the Sf variety you're buying: the others are a bit too thick for my liking.
Two more tips for burning: identical to hi-fi tips. Make sure than the machine doing the burning is on something as rigid and stable as possible, and give it the cleanest power supply you can, preferably straight from a wall socket with no adaptor in between.
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« Reply #13 on: 16:11:42, 22-09-2007 » |
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Rather than start a new thread it seemed to make sense to ask this question here: I've recently experienced, for the first time, the problem described above which seems to relate to the ageing of CD-Rs that have been burned too quickly, i.e. a clicking noise which starts not when the CD starts playing but when the actual sound kicks in (does that make sense?). Now, obviously the solution is to burn CD-Rs more slowly in the first place, which I always do, but some of these are things that other people had burned for me. Does anyone know of any way to 'repair' a digital recording once it's degenerated to that state, other than getting the person with the original to burn it for me again? It would be great if I could rescue a couple of rather hard-to-obtain recordings which I've discovered I can now only hear accompanied by an irritating click-track! Am I also right in thinking, for future reference, that if I'd had the foresight to make a back-up copy before the degeneration had set in (i.e. by re-burning at slow speed, even if from a CD-R which itself had been copied at high speed), then I could have avoided this problem?
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Bryn
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« Reply #14 on: 16:53:17, 22-09-2007 » |
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t_i_n, it is just possible that a different player will read the discs better. It might be worth trying to rip one such 'dodgy' CD-R with EAC (Exact Audio Copy), and checking whether the resulting WAV files play properly on your PC? If so, just re-burn to a new CD-R at a lowish speed. There are software packages around which claim to recover difficult audio data from CDs, but I have no direct experience of them.
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