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Author Topic: Facts and myths about DVD players/recorders  (Read 520 times)
Swan_Knight
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« on: 21:42:11, 18-11-2007 »

OK, I've got the new television....now I need a new DVD player/recorder to go with it.

However, I've been told a couple of things by retailers recently which I'm not at all sure about.  Can anyone with knowledge advise the veracity, or otherwise, of the following:

1)that you're better off with a separate DVD player and recorder, rather than a combination that does both?

2) that the quality of picture you receive depends on the quality of your skart lead (top whack price being £40.00)


Thank you.... Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: 22:20:52, 18-11-2007 »

In reverse order:

Not just picture, but also sound, stand to be seriously compromised by underperforming cable. The extra price you pay for better equipment is largely due to the higher spec, closer toleranced components which enhance performance: passing the signal through the giveaway/low priced cable is going to do it no favours whatsoever. Whether it be scart or audio cable, the rule of thumb is basically the same: you should be allowing about 10% of the unit price for the lead to go with it.

It depends on what you want your DVD player to do, but the requirements for a recorder and playback machine are quite different, particularly if you're expecting surround capablities and the like: the recorder circuitry is going to be quite a high percentage of the total price, so that an expensive recorder will tend to play back with the same quality as a rather cheaper player. If you're only intending to time-shift soaps and reality TV shows, then it's probably not an issue, but if you want to watch technically excellent pre-recorded DVDs, and record as well, then in a perfect world, two separate machines make more sense.

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« Reply #2 on: 22:41:44, 18-11-2007 »

Many thanks, Ron.

I shall definitely act on your advice re: the cable.

As to the 'separates' issue....I don't actually watch much television, so I'm not sure that I'd gain much from high quality recorded DVDs.  My main concern is to have excellent quality of purchased DVDs....so, I shall devote some thought to this.

Thanks, again!  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: 11:37:33, 04-02-2008 »

I need some clarification re DVD recorders, too.  I've just installed a new one on my 2nd TV, mainly for the purpose of playback in the bedroom (in fact it's to replace a cheapo player that's come to the end of its natural).  I find, however, that it won't play any of the discs I recorded - and finalised - on my other recorder.  Commercial DVDs play fine but my recordings just get an 'error disc' message.  I was told by the help line that it probably doesn't recognise the system used by the other recorder.  By this she didn't mean the generic + - RAM formatting but the actual software used by my recorder.  This strikes me as utter nonsense (for one thing I've been recording downstairs and playing on the cheapo player upstairs and sending recordings to friends and relatives for two years without any problems) but I thought I'd run it past you knowledgeable lot before selecting a new recorder.  I'm going to take this one back for a refund; but if what the help desk said is true how on earth is one supposed to select a compatible recorder/player.

Of course I might just buy a new cheapo player pro tem and await developments in the format wars.  Or buy a hard disk recorder - though I'd need one that can easily be downloaded to DVD because my American sis-in-law is addicted to 'Eastenders' and I have to record the omnibus every Sunday and post it to the US.

All musings gratefully accepted.
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« Reply #4 on: 11:54:57, 04-02-2008 »

Hope you get your refund HtoHe

When you go looking for a compatible DVD player, take one of your recorded DVDs with you and ask the salesman to try it in the display models he has set up.
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« Reply #5 on: 12:05:24, 04-02-2008 »

Sticking to the same manufacturer might help, though the DVDs that have whizzed back and forth from here since the inception of this board and PM facilities seem only once to have caused problems, and even then, an indentical copy made from the same master on the same machine solved the issue. I'm using an LG HDD/DVD recorder, and it does its job brilliantly, although the first one I had was faulty, and was swapped without fuss. It's useful to be able to edit stuff down before burning it to DVD, and it has had no problems playing discs from any other source.

Although these machines are so cheap and plentiful, it's worth remembering that they contain complex technology which needs to be set up very accurately: the cheap ones contain chipsets with rather wider tolerances than dearer models, and if just one or two chips are marginally outside specification that can affect certain parameters enough to shut down certain functions.
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« Reply #6 on: 14:22:02, 04-02-2008 »

Hope you get your refund HtoHe

When you go looking for a compatible DVD player, take one of your recorded DVDs with you and ask the salesman to try it in the display models he has set up.

Successfully secured, thanks John.  I had to scrap a bit, firstly to get central customer services to accept the principle that a player/recorder which won't play discs recorded in one of its formats isn't fit for purpose; and secondly to persuade the shop staff that a 'gift voucher' wasn't acceptable as a refund when I'd paid in cash.  Wise decisions on their part in the end because if they hadn't agreed I'd have made a very public fuss way beyond these boards!


DVDs that have whizzed back and forth from here since the inception of this board and PM facilities seem only once to have caused problems,

One of my major points, Ron.  The discs my new machine refused to play have been readily accepted both by my old cheapo machine and by family and friends' machines far and wide.  If it's a unversal technology it really oughtn't to have sensitive tolerances.  A VHS recorder obviously won't play Betamax recordings but a Phillips one doesn't say "I'm not playing this, it was recorded on a Mastsui".  If DVD recorders are going to display this level of temperament this should be widely publicised as it really means they're not a suitable replacement for videotapes.
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« Reply #7 on: 18:41:54, 04-02-2008 »

I had to scrap a bit, firstly to get central customer services to accept the principle that a player/recorder which won't play discs recorded in one of its formats isn't fit for purpose; and secondly to persuade the shop staff that a 'gift voucher' wasn't acceptable as a refund when I'd paid in cash.
Re the second of those points: I don't know anything about DVD recorders but I do know about retail law. If you have purchased product which is faulty, then you are entitled to a refund by the method you originally paid with. Gift-voucher or exchange-only refunds are only something the shop can insist on if you are returning product because you don't want it (as opposed to it being faulty). So you were quite right to insist.
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« Reply #8 on: 14:02:08, 05-02-2008 »

I don't know anything about DVD recorders but I do know about retail law. If you have purchased product which is faulty, then you are entitled to a refund by the method you originally paid with. Gift-voucher or exchange-only refunds are only something the shop can insist on if you are returning product because you don't want it (as opposed to it being faulty). So you were quite right to insist.

Thanks t_i_n. It's good to know the law hasn't changed, as it's not always safe to assume it will be the same as when I learned about consumer rights several decades ago.  Actually I was rather more concerned that I might not be able to argue the machine was faulty as there's no doubt it would play some DVDs.  What might be pretty obvious to a layman doesn't always guarantee success if you have to go to law.  But if you have a machine that says on the box DVD, DVD+R, DVD-R, etc etc and you have to read the small print of the manual to find it doesn't play all  DVD+R discs I think that's the kind of sharp practice the consumer programmes would like to know about.
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« Reply #9 on: 09:51:28, 12-02-2008 »

Just an update on this, which will open a further can of worms: the make of disc, as well as its type, has ramifications. This happens with CD-Rs as well: an engineer I was talking to over the weekend reminded me of this, and I'd forgotten that my bedside CD player doesn't like one brand of CD-Rs at all, whilst my HDD/DVD recorder won't perform all functions with certain manufacturers' discs... Fun, eh?
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