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Author Topic: Why is the minidisc so popular?  (Read 839 times)
HtoHe
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« Reply #15 on: 23:20:08, 29-01-2008 »

That's pretty cheap H. I used to get Maxell from Richer Sounds for 79p but they put them up to 99p some time ago so I stopped buying them there. Tho I've never heard of Wilkinson.

There's a store finder here, Andy.

http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/

The discs I buy aren't Hi-MD btw, just the standard ones. 
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« Reply #16 on: 10:45:52, 30-01-2008 »

 Andy D, Thank you very much for that link. Cool
 HtoHe, Yes I have 3 Wilkinsons in my area. Their discs are cheap, when they have them, its just that I get frustrated hunting the little blighters down. Each branch not only has its own unique idea for displaying their wares but they  seem to change that idea ever week. Last month, in their Fareham branch, I found a neat pile of mini discs under the Dog Food. It's a fun game---( if you feel that way inclined) Roll Eyes Thanks for the info though.
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« Reply #17 on: 12:36:51, 30-01-2008 »

Yes I have 3 Wilkinsons in my area. Their discs are cheap, when they have them, its just that I get frustrated hunting the little blighters down. Each branch not only has its own unique idea for displaying their wares but they  seem to change that idea ever week. Last month, in their Fareham branch, I found a neat pile of mini discs under the Dog Food. It's a fun game---( if you feel that way inclined) Roll Eyes Thanks for the info though.

You're quite right; I should have mentioned that once you locate a store it's probably wise to phone ahead to see if they have stock.  The picture you draw is very familiar to me.  I have got used to a certain brand of laundry tablet of which Wilkinson's is the only local stockist and I used to have great fun looking for where they'd hidden it from month to month; then the manager unilaterally decided to stop stocking it so I was looking in vain until I cracked and asked a member of staff (it's back now, I'm glad to say).  They also have the infuriating habit of not always putting like with like.  It was a long time before I discovered they had bog-standard DVD+Rs (25 on a spindle for about £7) because the pricey DVD+Rs (5, each in an individual case, for about £5), which I saw first, are stored at the other end of the aisle!

On the plus side, the staff are usually helpful.
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« Reply #18 on: 04:27:56, 31-01-2008 »

A minidisc recording made with a modern minidisc recorder will also have a wider effective dynamic range than one recorded directly to a CD-R recorder. This is because Sony use a higher quantization level and then noise shape down to 16 bit in preparation for the lossy encoding by ATRAC. CD-R recorders generally sample at 16 bit quantization to start with, though some combined HD/CD-R devices, such as the Alesis Masterlink 9600 permit sampling to hard disc at up to 96ksps with 24 bit quantization prior to editing and down-sampling with noise shaping and bit reduction to Red Book CD-Rs.

Well I've certainly learnt a lot, and I had no idea that CD-R copies of audio CD's actually decreased the sound quality.

I used to have a Sony NET MD, alas it broke, although I detested the fact that I couldn't upload songs to my computer, and that I had to use this evil software called SonicStage which had to convert all my MP3's to ATRAC format before allowing anything to go on the Mini disc. Then there was all the Digital Rights Management (DRM) issues...

The mini discs shown here seem rather impressive; I remember part of my original motivation for getting a mini disc recorder, as opposed to an MP3 player, was because, you are not limited to the capacity of the hard drive, and you can buy mini discs at a reasonable price. However, I think that they are beginning to be phased out by a lot of manufacturers now, and I do love my MP3's Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: 09:05:41, 31-01-2008 »

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I had no idea that CD-R copies of audio CD's actually decreased the sound quality.

I'm not quite sure where you might have learned that here, but it is true that the error correction regime for Red Book CDs is less thorough than that for, say AIFF, (as used in the Alesis CD-24 standard). However, the points I was making related not to copying CDs, but to recordings made using microphones of other analogue sources. For instance, although this may be seen as overkill, I have recently taken to recording from FM using a sample rate of 88.2ksps and 24 bit quantization,  then making level adjustments, etc. and then down-sampling to 44.1ksps and using noise shaping when reducing the bit depth to 16 and burning to CD-R. The audio quality improvement will be minimal, some would say negligible, but my thinking is that I might as well get the best I can out of a compromised audio source.

When ripping audio from Red Book CDs for personal use, I find the open source "Exact Audio Copy" program the best solution. It is highly configurable, and can rescue/reconstruct data lost to some other ripping programs, once you learn its intricacies.
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« Reply #20 on: 09:30:29, 31-01-2008 »

 Did you make a note of all that, Stanley? Wink
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« Reply #21 on: 09:57:10, 31-01-2008 »

You'll find that in extreme Hi-fi circles there's a theory that CDs copied under the right circumstances might actually sound better than the original, the reason being that although the physical information being copied should be identical, it should be possible to decrease the digital jitter and provide a disc which for which the player needs to provide less error correction. The way that the information is stored on a CD is complex, in a belt-and-braces fashion, and if the disc is dirty or poorly made, the player itself has a good deal of extra work to do behind the scenes to recreate the music accurately: depending how well (or otherwise) the player has been designed, this can make an audible difference to those trained to spot such things. Just slapping a CD into your PC and ripping it to a CD-R is unlikely to manage this quite as well, however....

I've now had a chance to try loading MD material to DVD by using the little Zoom H2 digital recorder as an intermediary; there was a major problem at first, since the input sensitivity of the Zoom is rather lower than standard line level, causing clipping distortion; a high quality variable attenuator in the circuit has sorted that wonderfully, however. This means that I can transfer material from MD (and I'm afraid, true to Dough form, I have rather a lot of these, well over 1,000) to the Zoom without using the computer, then upload the files to the PC or the Mac in a fraction of the time, ready to edit and record to DVD, which will simplify storage (and sharing with others Wink).
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« Reply #22 on: 10:10:08, 31-01-2008 »

Ron, what software are you using to write the files to DVD? Is it "Audio DVD Creator", or have you found something better?
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« Reply #23 on: 10:18:24, 31-01-2008 »

Bryn, I'm using DVD as the storage medium, but I'm intending to use CD as the carrier, so I'm sticking to 16/44.1. Software is the Mac-based DSP-Quattro for editing, and Roxio's Toast for burning, or if I'm on a PC, Wavelab and Nero: if there's any really tough stuff to deal with, I can use ProTools on both platforms, too, but DSP-Q's an absolutely wonderful editing programme, and my favourite by miles.
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« Reply #24 on: 10:29:21, 31-01-2008 »

Ah, I see. I thought you were intending to use the DVDs for playback, too. The medium is certainly very handy for longer works, such as operas and late Feldman, but preparation does involve resampling CD derived material to 48k.
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« Reply #25 on: 16:20:42, 31-01-2008 »

     #  20               Ted,    Grin Grin Grin    I've taken to the garden where 'shivering pines do clime the day' and gibber away like Lear on the blasted heath!   Wink
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« Reply #26 on: 17:09:01, 31-01-2008 »

 Never mind blasted heath, my garden's a blasted lake!
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« Reply #27 on: 17:23:08, 31-01-2008 »

I've been reading this thread with interest, as someone who tends to use the MD player much less now that the iPod has arrived on the scene.  I tend to use my ageing, well-used Sony MZ-R500 for recording broadcasts (through the digital set-top box, as we have no decent FM or DAB reception in my corner of Brighton) and the results at single-play speed are excellent.  Despite what others have said here, at LP2 and LP4 the deterioration in sound quality is very noticeable, so no complete operas on a single disc for me.   The other benefit of MD is the apparent indestructibility of the player - it's a good few years old, it's been hauled around on trains, dropped a couple of times, looks distinctly the worse for wear but still works as new.  I doubt that the iPod will have the same resilience.

But for copying CDs, I'm afraid it's the iPod every time: the convenience of being able to carry 80gb of music around - especially on the daily commute - wins out (and AAC at 128kbps is pretty good, certainly compared with MP3) - which means I use the iPod much more.

I have a Sony MX R 90, and it has done me such good service. I used it to listen to my cds a while ago on train journeys... before my ipod habit kicked in. Now I use it for recording live with a Sony microphone. I find the quality surprisingly good. I used to record my orchestra and it sounded as brilliant as we were  Roll Eyes, (strings usually sound terrible on 'ordinary' recording equipment. )

I am not sure what I will do when my little tough md player ( I agree pw) finally gives up the ghost!

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« Reply #28 on: 19:05:36, 31-01-2008 »

Ho!  I love Mini Discs.  All my LPs, cassettes and personal live recordings are now also on MD.  I like the flexibility, the lack of computer, the editing and notating abilities, the size and the number of discs you can slip into your pockets for travelling.  I find the quality excellent.  I've two mains machines and one hand held one.  When I was in hospital, the hand held was a boon.  Of course, all things change and it will not be long before all the present, super modern, equipment will be binned including, for musical purposes, the computer.
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« Reply #29 on: 23:06:22, 10-03-2008 »

At last got hold of an MD recorder yesterday and reviewed something I did last year-3 stromenti and 9 singers in a small theatre space-much more breadth to the spectrum than I expected, so much so that I think I can write around bits of it as is. Blimey-technology works first time in my mitts, que pasa?
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