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Author Topic: Thielemann's "Parsifal"  (Read 510 times)
Ted Ryder
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« on: 17:14:22, 30-01-2008 »

 I have just received Thielemann's "Parsifal" and played through the first act. Smiley  What a beautiful performance, gentle and serene- indeed you could well believe that you were in an enchanted forest.  I was expecting Teutonic grandeur and perhaps it could have done with a little in the transformation music. However, beautifully sung all round- thought Domingo sounded surprisingly youthful ( I do not speak German so no accent problem for me.) Strange that the general lack of coughs and thumps made the jangling of a few swords so very distracting  Hope Acts 2&3 are as good. What a bargain!
    Obviously my preconceptions were to some extent coloured by Herr Thielemann's  perceived politics. (Yes OK that's daft). Still at the risk of every one thowing up their hands and crying "Oh God not that again", and since I can find nothing on Google, what is the story about CT's expressed views?
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« Reply #1 on: 21:24:35, 30-01-2008 »

Glad you liked the recording, Ted.  I was also pleasantly surprised by it, not being that familiar with Thielemann as a conductor.  I'd agree with you about the swishing swords in the grail scene, but otherwise, stage and audience noise is refreshingly absent. 

I've heard Thielemann variously described as a 'conservative' and a 'right-winger', a man very much in the Karajan tradition.  His musical outlook is certainly conservative and so, apparently, are his political beliefs.  About five years ago, there was an ugly episode in the German press, I believe, when a critic referred to Berlin being a musically divided kingdom between 'the German Thielemann and the Jew Barenboim'.   Thielemann himself was reported to have made a disparaging reference to Barenboim, apparently along these lines, though the statement has never been corroborated and Thielemann in any case, apologised for any perceived offence. 

I can remember someone on these boards commenting that Thielemann might show his true colours if Germany ever gets another 'really nasty government.'

As I say, there's lots of rumour-mongering and little substantial.  Best to judge musicians by their day jobs, I reckon!  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: 21:29:59, 30-01-2008 »

Some light is shed on the affair by the following (several years old) news story:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,389487,00.html


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« Reply #3 on: 21:43:50, 30-01-2008 »

I've just bought this recording also, and hope to post my thoughts soon...
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« Reply #4 on: 07:22:41, 31-01-2008 »

i got it in vienna when it was first released, and played it to death.
act 2 is the only part i listen to now, as it is, imho, one of the finest act 2's of parsifal ever.
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« Reply #5 on: 08:04:22, 31-01-2008 »

 Thanks one and all. Well tonybob guess I'd better get stuck into Act 2!
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« Reply #6 on: 16:00:07, 31-01-2008 »

 Smiley
perhaps i need to clarify; i'm a big admirer of Thielemann, but the more spiritual parts of parsifal didn't move me as in, say, the karajan or kubelik, whereas the more evil and sexual elements of act 2 come across horribly well.
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« Reply #7 on: 17:42:36, 31-01-2008 »

 tonybob. Agree with you 100% on Act 2, evil yes but without, unlike many Act 2s, the usual unhealthy festering feel about it. Nice to have cheeky flower maidens and a Kundry that doesn't sound like one's mother-in-law. Sorry, can't agree about the Karajan I have it but hate it. (The Hofmann/ Vejzovic that is) I grew up with the 1962 Knappertsbusch and am very fond of it but think Thielemann will replace it as my favourite.  But Act 3 awaits.  Love to hear Thielemann doing Tristan Act 2
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