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Author Topic: Mendelssohn/ Bruch violin concertos  (Read 2073 times)
thompson1780
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« Reply #30 on: 22:29:08, 06-03-2007 »

Something's worrying me now.

Not Campoli's age: http://www.divine-art.com/AS/campoli.htm

But when his various recordings were made.  The LP I have states clearly p1969 for both the Bruch and the Mendelssohn.  The Bruch is with the New World SO and Kitsch, whereas the Mendelssohn is with the LPO and Beinum.  But I can't find record of a 1969 Beinum and Campoli Mendelssohn.  Was this the 1955 recording FMJ mentions reissued, or even the 1949 one I can find records of?

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2006/Feb06/Elgar_Campoli_4PD10.htm

Too confusing!

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« Reply #31 on: 22:44:22, 06-03-2007 »

Not sure whether this deserves a new thread, or whether it sits quite nicely here, but does anyone know Ivry Gitlis' recordings of these pieces?

I have had the pleasure of observing his teaching over the last two days - he's been giving masterclasses - and, at age 85, he puts the energy (lack of...) of the students to shame!

No-one played Bruch or Mendelssohn, but we've had some Tchaikovsky and several Brahms Sonatas. As a teacher he is unique; as a violinist, he is perhaps something of an acquired taste, but an extraordinary musician nonetheless
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« Reply #32 on: 10:53:04, 07-03-2007 »

george: your reply #29. I heard Campoli play the Bruch (so far my one and only live hearing of the work) on 2/5/74 in the Sheldonian, Oxford with the Academy of the BBC under Atherton, with a Rossini overture, Gordon Crosse Symphonies Op 11 and Beethoven Symph 1. (Long list of below-the -horizon names there!)

My diary records a very good account of the solo part but strange balances of brass against strings. Could of course have had something to do with the fact that my seat was nearly vertically above the orchestra Roll Eyes This slightly sub-optimal feature of symhony orchestras in the Shedonoan did give me an absolutely glorious close-up of the horn parts in Don Juan under Del Mar at about the same time. And that latter concert was where I made the acquaintance of Tippett's 1st symph. My girlfriend - now my wife - and I were both in transports...

Unfortunately, after the concert I established that hers were those of agony rather than ecstasy, and neither of us have changed our views since! Angry
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« Reply #33 on: 12:15:47, 07-03-2007 »

Now this is a very strange thing, FMJ. It's all a bit spooky in fact!

The performance I was talking about was also in the Sheldonian but the details don't quite match up. It was on 2 November 1973. It was Alfredo Campoli, the New Philharmonia and Norman Del Mar. The programme was (wait for it) Strauss Don Juan, Bruch Violin Concerto No 1 and Tippett's First Symphony - which is sort of mix of the two concerts you mention! That's what the Garnett Archive says and it is also my memory of the occasion.

There's more. I was also there with my girlfriend, later my wife. And we were also fairly high up as was our impoverished wont (on the right hand side as you face the orchestra in this instance IIRC). We were actually both there principally for the Tippett and, as I shamefacedly admit, a bit snooty about the prospect of the Bruch. But it was just wonderful.

And....like you, that was the first and only time I've heard it live.

We aren't the same person by any chance are we?  Shocked
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« Reply #34 on: 14:52:22, 07-03-2007 »

George: we can't possibly be the same person because we disagree fundamentally about which concert contained which concerto!  Grin

I have 2/11/73 recorded as Don Juan, Chopin conc 2 with Michael Roll, and Tippett. I think I was on my own for the Campoli/ Atherton one Sad

My position in the Tippett IIRC was about 1/4 of the way round the semicircle of the top deck - from L to R, as you look at the 'flat end' of the hall with the big doors through which one waltzes in and out to collect one's degree. IIRC, assuming one had a degree to collect.... Watched my elder daughter do it (video only - we were snowbound in Cornwall at the time) some months ago. As for my own  show, I can only remember being the one who most seriously got my bow antiphase and widdershins  Embarrassed

I was at Balliol, originally a Chemistry exhibitioner in 1972 but switched to Eng Lang & Lit 1973, graduating in 76. I deduce you may have done something a little more musical? My performances were restricted - fortunately for those who actually LIKE music Roll Eyes - to Balliol chapel choir (refounded 1973), plus a few college choirs that didn't have auditions, for particular 'big choral work' performances (Trinity and University come to mind, as do Faure Req + Walton Te deum (1972), Dream of Gerontius, Beet Choral Sympathy). Did we (or our spouses) breathe the same air there too??
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« Reply #35 on: 15:44:48, 07-03-2007 »

Curiouser and curioser, FMJ! I can't work this out at all Undecided

Oxford has become famous since as the home of various portals to parallel universes but I don't suppose that can really be the explanation. How very odd. All I can say is that my record of the concert is quite definite, and I certainly remember hearing all three of those works there (Strauss, Bruch/Campoli and Tippett 1) but, on the other hand, have no recollection at all of hearing Michael Roll there doing the Chopin No 2.

Do you happen to have the details of the other works in the later Atherton concert just in case they ring a bell? The odd thing is I was certainly (well, I say certainly, but I'm feeling uncertain about everything now....) at a concert in the Sheldonian on 4 May 1974. It was one of those superb St John Passions that Lina Lilandi put on as part of the English Bach Festival. I have just dug out the programme book for that 1974 Festival and there is nothing down for the 2 May in the Sheldonian so the Atherton concert must have been separate from that but nonetheless in amongst it all.

I hasten to say I am not insisting I am right of course, but am now completely bemused by this. I'd love to clear it up just from curiosity now.
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« Reply #36 on: 17:40:19, 07-03-2007 »

George, other works with my version of the Bruch are in my original post - gordon Crosse was a possibly 'even more unique' experience! I think I must have this right because (a) I kept a notebook with my own personal mini-reviews of  concerts attended and this began in Jan 74. There are several different inks before 2/5/74 so I'm pretty sure these are 'contemporaneous notes' (in the language of my current paid employment!); (b) I recall that it was broadcast a few days later as a R3 Afternoon Concert and I listened out of curiosity to compare the experience with and without 'pictures'. So I had another opportunity to check the contents - there's an added pencil note about this in the book. I believe I also positively remember the piano in the Tippett concert.

Come to think of it, a BBC afternoon concert would then I think have been always a BBC orchestra. Atherton's was the 'Academy of the BBC' (aka BBC Training Orchestra??), Del Mar's was the NPO according to the little (big) ole red (green) book! Does that win the argument??
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« Reply #37 on: 23:57:15, 07-03-2007 »

George, other works with my version of the Bruch are in my original post....

Doh! So they are Roll Eyes. Yet more evidence that I am manifestly losing my grip.

Well, I can only bow before your Exhibits A to C which the Clerk of the Court has just presented to me for inspection. Very unsettling though. I think the only explanation can be that I got this wrong long ago when I started noting down details of everything I had been to (largely a cunning wheeze to avoid spending a fortune on expensive programmes). I remember going through my Oxford diaries and copying the details out. Having presumably made a mistake at that point, 'false memory syndrome' must have then taken over and rewrote history. I know that it can happen but I don't think it has happened to me before......or maybe it has. I must have been to both concerts, conflated them in memory, because my 'records' said so, and wiped all traces of the less memorable bits. Well I'll be danged. Apart from anything else that means Campoli must have been even older, 68, when we saw him. Quite something. He looked a bit like Alfred Hitchcock as far as I remember. (Please don't tell me he actually looked the spit of Quentin Tarantino or I shall begin to lose all hope). 

Sorry all! I do realise this is of no interest to anyone except me Embarrassed
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« Reply #38 on: 11:16:20, 08-03-2007 »

Just read that Daniel Hope has changed record labels from Warner To DG, on which his first release is to be the Mendelssohn vc ( NOT coupled with Bruch ) Just what the world needs ? DG only released their Nicola Benedetti version last summer.
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« Reply #39 on: 12:18:58, 08-03-2007 »

George - your #37. Yes, I'll settle for Hitchcock! Have you found my email about other Fox-rod concerts? - I tried to reply as per the desctructions but am pretty clueless on the new technology.

I've checked with my wife - she has no memory of Strauss or Chopin, or even Bruch. She claims the trauma of the Tippett wiped everything else  Cry Not sure why she married me really... Shocked)
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« Reply #40 on: 23:41:47, 26-03-2007 »

Well, I did say I'd be back with my thoughts on the Julian Olevsky / Vienna State Opera Orchestra / Julius Rudel recording of the Mendelssohn and Bruch.

I cannot believe this is going for $32 on e-bay.  It's a mfp recording, which I seem to remember from somewhere was distributed at petrol stations.  The M is scrappy in places and out of tune in others. The Bruch just doesn't seem to say a lot.

Sorry

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