jennyhorn
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« Reply #15 on: 15:39:42, 04-07-2007 » |
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i thought someting wasn't right-i wonder how such a mistake could creep into the release!?
it's so much more alive (though probably less accurate)than the soft focus Crossley/Salonen/Sinfonietta recording.I'd be intrigued to hear Richter's account of the piece.
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« Reply #16 on: 15:48:34, 04-07-2007 » |
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I'd be intrigued to hear Richter's account of the piece. I might be able to help you out there, jen ... |
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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Bryn
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« Reply #17 on: 23:56:02, 04-07-2007 » |
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Opilec, the LP I have is an Italian CBS issue, published in 1969. The recoding itself was made in 1961. I copied the LP version to a hard disc recorder/CD burner a couple of weeks ago, and am currently burning it to a CD-RW for transfer to this laptop for further examination. I could post a FLAC of the first movement (LP version) on YouSendIt if you are interested.
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Bryn
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« Reply #18 on: 00:55:44, 05-07-2007 » |
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opilec, the plot thickens. We really need the score.
Timings for the LP version:
1 - 2'29"
2 - 1'33"
3 - 1'06"
4 - 1'35"
5 - 2'00"
Timings for CD version:
1 - 1'57"
2 - 1'45"
3 - 1'07"
4 - 1'36"
5 - 2'01"
Allowing for slight variations in the edit points, the last three movements are pretty much the same in both versions. The first two, however, present a bit of a problem.
Do you have an audio editor intalled on your PC? If so, I think the best bet will be for me to make a single FLAC file of both versions, the CD rip following on from the LP transfer. Let me know if you would prefer a high bit rate mp3.
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Bryn
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« Reply #19 on: 01:01:32, 05-07-2007 » |
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I'm off to bed now. We can sort out the file posting on Friday, (I will be trying to get to a concert after work tomorrow).
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Evan Johnson
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« Reply #20 on: 03:17:15, 05-07-2007 » |
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opilec, the plot thickens. We really need the score.
I have the score on my shelf, but not this recording... how may I be of service?  |
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jennyhorn
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« Reply #21 on: 15:27:12, 06-07-2007 » |
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does anyone here prefer it without the repeat? atleast one of Stavinsky's biographers (white?)thought it was pointless.
personally,i'm all for it....there's also a very noticeable drop in recording level at about the 0:45 second mark which is also quite jarring.
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Evan Johnson
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« Reply #22 on: 15:34:57, 06-07-2007 » |
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does anyone here prefer it without the repeat? atleast one of Stavinsky's biographers (white?)thought it was pointless.
personally,i'm all for it....there's also a very noticeable drop in recording level at about the 0:45 second mark which is also quite jarring.
Well, I think it's quite important, and I would think that of all composers Stravinsky would be given the benefit of the doubt in a decision about whether to repeat a passage or not... |
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jennyhorn
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« Reply #23 on: 15:50:09, 06-07-2007 » |
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lest there be any doubt i'm all *for* the repeat, as opposed to the eradication of it and yes...you'd assume that no-one at Sony would deliberately overide the score.
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Evan Johnson
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« Reply #24 on: 20:53:13, 06-07-2007 » |
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Well, Bryn sent me the LP and CD versions side by side, and I can faithfully report that the CD version lacks the repeat in the first movement (the only repeat in the piece), and that (what's even more bizarre) the CD version plays the opening (which is, ostensibly, to be repeated), the first ending, and then plows right through the second ending and onward.
So not only is the opening not heard twice, as is supposed to be the case, but we hear two passages - the first ending and the second ending - back to back in a way that was never intended. So it's certainly not just a matter of repeat bars being inserted or removed by the composer. Beats me, in fact, how this could possibly have happened...
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« Reply #25 on: 22:19:11, 06-07-2007 » |
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Good grief! How could the conductor possibly have made such a crass error?  |
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Bryn
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« Reply #26 on: 22:27:28, 06-07-2007 » |
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Nice one, Ollie!  |
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Bryn
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« Reply #27 on: 22:31:17, 08-07-2007 » |
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By the way, for a few more days only: http://www.yousendit.com/download/OGhmc0wxT01CTWswTVE9PQLP version, followed by CD version. (The LP transfer has been normalised to a peak value of around -0.25dB, but is otherwise left pretty 'dirty'). |
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #28 on: 22:57:47, 08-07-2007 » |
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Thanks for that, Bryn. As it happens my Italian LP is in storage with all the other records except for the big Stravinsky boxed LP set which came straight here as it's rather delicate, even in its original outer packing case. I've just had a dig around for it and although I've got no turntable here as yet, the labels (though not the sleeves or packaging) helpfully quote overall timings for each work, and in this instant it quotes 08:50, which brings things nicely into line with the Italian LP. This can surely only mean that the cut occurred during digitisation...perhaps the masters were in a bad way and they had to do the old 'go so far and clean' process, reassembling the bits by ear rather than with the aid of a score.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #29 on: 00:35:04, 09-07-2007 » |
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I bought the Stravinsky edition today at the HMV shop. Lots there I'm looking forward to exploring. Mistakes in transfers happen more often than they should but you really would think that they would be so careful about such things.
I also bought the Shostakovich symphonies under Barshai for £17.
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