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Author Topic: CE St Alban's Sunday March 18th 2007  (Read 1187 times)
DracoM
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« on: 23:51:45, 15-03-2007 »

This Sunday on R3 @ 4.p.m.:

Cathedral and Abbey Church of St Alban.

Order of Service:

Introit: A Prayer of King Henry VI (Ley)
Responses: Clucas
Psalms: 34, 127 (Archer, Tranchell, Goss)
First Lesson: Isaiah 40 v27 - 41 v13
Office Hymn: Hark my soul, it is the Lord (St Bees)
Canticles: Short Service (Robin Orr)
Second Lesson: John 11, vv17-44
Anthem: The Lord is my shepherd (Lennox Berkeley)
Homily: The Very Rev Dr Jeffrey John
Final Hymn: Lord of all hopefulness (Slane)
Organ Voluntary: Psalm Prelude, Set 1, No 3 (Howells)

Master of the music: Andrew Lucas
Assistant master of the music: Simon Johnson



Don't know the Orr? Any comments?
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ulrica
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« Reply #1 on: 14:11:58, 16-03-2007 »

Draco
It's short.  Wink
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DracoM
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« Reply #2 on: 15:27:15, 16-03-2007 »

Pretty cryptic, ulrica!!
Is brevity a good or bad thing in this context? i.e. do you like / dislike the Orr?
Maybe that's why they've decided to fit in a homily? Or is it short so the homily can be fitted in?
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« Reply #3 on: 15:39:37, 16-03-2007 »

I think all the Sunday broadcasts have included some sort of homily - it is far more common for Sunday evensong to include a sermon.  Whether it's listed on the website probably just depends how much info the cathedral gives the BBC.
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« Reply #4 on: 16:26:44, 16-03-2007 »

Of the choral music, I only know the introit - a pleasant little piece, IMO.
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« Reply #5 on: 12:42:10, 17-03-2007 »

Pretty cryptic, ulrica!!
Is brevity a good or bad thing in this context? i.e. do you like / dislike the Orr?
Maybe that's why they've decided to fit in a homily? Or is it short so the homily can be fitted in?

Draco, I think you'll find this is a joke. The Service is called the "Short" service, and that's all we know about it.

BWS Wink
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cathythinks
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« Reply #6 on: 13:40:43, 17-03-2007 »

I expect they told us about the homily because it's Jeffrey John, who competes with Elton John for being  in the limelight.
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George Garnett
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« Reply #7 on: 19:40:31, 17-03-2007 »

Don't know the Orr?

I don't really, no, but I can only assume it was what they sang at this evening's Evensong as an unannounced late replacement for the advertised Orlando Gibbons Short Service.

They seemed to sing it very well but I wouldn't really like to comment on the music as we were about two-thirds of the way through the Mag before I finally persuaded myself that this really, really, really couldn't be Gibbons and the penny dropped as to what they were doing 

The Berkeley, which we also got this evening, is a lovely little thing though.
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AndrewLucas
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« Reply #8 on: 20:19:40, 17-03-2007 »

"I don't really, no, but I can only assume it was what they sang at this evening's Evensong as an unannounced late replacement for the advertised Orlando Gibbons Short Service.

They seemed to sing it very well but I wouldn't really like to comment on the music as we were about two-thirds of the way through the Mag before I finally persuaded myself that this really, really, really couldn't possibly be Gibbons and the penny dropped as to what they were doing. "

Hello Mr Garnett

I don't know quite what we were doing wrong but it really, really, really was Gibbons Short service sung at evensong this evening. Sorry if it didn't sound like it!

The late Professor Robin Orr died at the end of last year and was George Guest's predecessor at St John's College Cambridge. He composed his Short Service (which is not that short) in 1967. It's pretty commonly found in cathedral and collegiate music lists. I hope it ties in nicely with the Berkeley anthem and the theme of what used to be called Refreshment Sunday, the glimmer of hope in the gloom of Lent, which is my intention.

Dr John, the Dean of St Albans, is a wonderful theologian and preacher. As we always have a sermon at evensong on Sunday here it seemed churlish to me to fill up the time by singing two anthems and yet have no sermon. Nor  would it be representative of what we do here. Hope this helps.

Andrew Lucas
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George Garnett
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« Reply #9 on: 20:37:26, 17-03-2007 »

Thank you, Andrew, and delighted that you have found your way to this Board.

But, Whoops! How very, very deeply embarrassing. I admit to a strong temptation to make use of the 'remove your message' facility on my earlier post to try and hide my shame but I suppose I had better take it like a man and leave it there for the world to see. (Crawls under stone.)

All best wishes to you and the choir for tomorrow's broadcast.
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cathythinks
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« Reply #10 on: 11:20:36, 18-03-2007 »


Dr John, the Dean of St Albans, is a wonderful theologian and preacher.

I absolutely agree. I should add that I did not mean (in my earlier message) to imply any negative attitude to the inclusion of Jeffrey John as preacher.

On the contrary I am a great fan of the man and will certainly be listening. And all the sunday evensongs so far have included a homily as far as I'm aware. This is one of the major changes resulting from the move to a Sunday service instead of Wednesdays.

I was just remarking on the decision to name the preacher in the publicity, and I thought that in this case the decision was probably right, because the name of Jeffrey John is itself likely to bring in some listeners who might not otherwise have bothered.
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« Reply #11 on: 20:41:59, 18-03-2007 »

I have to say that both Orr and Berkeley are composers to whom I find it very hard to respond.  For me - and I know it's my problem - they fall into a deep hole between Howells and (say) Macmillan or Harvey;  neither has a distinctive voice, both seem to be striving for an effect slightly beyond their reach.  They are non-missing links.  My problem.

Notwithstanding, I thoroughly enjoyed this CE broadcast.  As a service, it hung together well, and seemed to involve the listener as much as those present in the Abbey.  Despite its sombre subject, the homily was very affecting and superbly delivered.  The second lesson was read in a manner that overcame most of the deficiencies of a modern translation.  There was precisely that intensity and sense of reverence that makes CE such a popular feature of the BBC's output.

Musically, I found the choir excellent - excellent in that they were there to enhance the service rather than prove their virtuosic credentials (this selflessness, thank heaven, seems to be the norm among cathedral choirs).  The Ley was a lovely cameo introduction to the whole - and was an early indication that the choir knows its business.  The psalm, taken at stately pace, achieved a welcome gravitas (though I would not honestly wish to be in the Abbey on the 15th evening!)  I thought Orr did better with the Nunc than with the Mag, though his setting of the words "rich he hath sent empty away" is novel and delightful, and was carried off delightfully by the choir.  The purity and focus of the treble tone was nowhere better seen than in the opening bars of the Berkeley anthem - I feared for the ornamental glass near my speakers, though there was nothing strident or aggressive about the singing, but just honest, industrious, well-trained Anglican trebledom.  So yes - I didn't much care for the music, but I deeply appreciated its performance.

I notice that the DoM at St Alban's has honoured us with his presence on these boards.  I hope he and his clerical colleagues will accept my thanks for an hour very rewardingly spent.
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DracoM
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« Reply #12 on: 23:04:39, 18-03-2007 »

Delighted Andrew Lucas has been with us, BUT on the R3 Order of Service, it very clearly says Short Service by Robin Orr - see Mg1 on this thread!


Trebles were indeed in terrific, authoritative form, and because they were genuine leaders, the back rows were able to sing with great confidence. A very fine team.

The psalms I found far too slow, and as said, 15th evening at that pace....? Is that St A's house style? Berkeley was OK, nothing remarkable. For me, that homily was just too long and amazingly lugubrious. Not cure how consolatory it was either!

But a fine hour of the 'real thing'. Many thanks to all.
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AndrewLucas
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« Reply #13 on: 12:38:58, 19-03-2007 »

Dear DracoM

You have missed that the date of the exchange of information between Mr Garnett and I was about evensong in our cathedral on Saturday the 17th March (which he clearly attended) when we sang Gibbons Short Service. On Sunday the 18th we sang Orr's Short Service. I'm a bit surprised that anyone should confuse the two pieces, but there you go.

Thank you for your compliments. Re the psalm, yes that is how we sing them. Some choirs sing them quickly and some don't - that's the beauty of the different choral foundations. The style, based on a system I inherited and which has developed over the years, suits the nature of the choir well, so it works for us.

The pace varies according to the service and the psalm. Ps 78 would indeed be recited faster.

Andrew
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sparklingfishface
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« Reply #14 on: 16:20:27, 19-03-2007 »

I have to say that both Orr and Berkeley are composers to whom I find it very hard to respond.  For me - and I know it's my problem - they fall into a deep hole between Howells and (say) Macmillan or Harvey;  neither has a distinctive voice, both seem to be striving for an effect slightly beyond their reach.  They are non-missing links. 

Very well put, if I may say so. I think you've hit the nail on the head, especially about Berkeley's choral music, with which I feel familiar, yet remain somehow disconnected.

Also completely agree with all your comments about the performances. An excellent demonstration from St Alban's of what CE should be and how it should be done.

Best wishes and thanks to all concerned.
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