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Author Topic: The Brahms debate  (Read 4972 times)
Ian Pace
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« Reply #150 on: 11:05:01, 09-08-2007 »

It's the (period instrument) group La Gaia Scienza and it is on Winter and Winter.
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« Reply #151 on: 14:56:47, 09-08-2007 »

It's the (period instrument) group La Gaia Scienza and it is on Winter and Winter.

I can't recommend that disc highly enough.  Absolutely outstanding!

There are some excerpts here:  http://www.amazon.com/Brahms-Piano-Quartet-Op-Quintet/dp/B00005CCZ0/ref=sr_1_9/102-1986244-1226513?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1186667750&sr=1-9
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« Reply #152 on: 15:25:23, 09-08-2007 »

Like martle and others, I was pretty much bear-hugged by the 1st symphony in my teens (Bruno Walter) before I heard the others, and was similiarly swept up by the sense of giant gates opening in the introduction.

While there are Brahms recommendations in the air, would anybody have any for a  complete set of the symphonies? A broken turntable and a feeling I should have a new set on cd ..

Also, I can't remember the piano concertos being mentioned a lot here, but personally I would find it a huge gap in the whole pantheon of classical music if they weren't there.
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« Reply #153 on: 17:08:09, 09-08-2007 »

Just visiting, I noticed on Amazon that op. 60 is nicknamed "Werther"

How is it related to Werther? Is it as in Die Leiden des jungen Werther? I suppose I could look this up, but I don't know how to use the intern yet.
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« Reply #154 on: 17:21:40, 09-08-2007 »

Just visiting, I noticed on Amazon that op. 60 is nicknamed "Werther"

How is it related to Werther? Is it as in Die Leiden des jungen Werther? I suppose I could look this up, but I don't know how to use the intern yet.
Yes, it is, Brahms saying in a letter to Theodor Billroth that it was 'a curiosity - perhaps an illustration for the last chapter about the man in the bluecoat and the yellow waistcoat' (a reference to the final chapter of Goethe's novel, when the hero is on the brink of suicide), then saying in a letter to his publisher Fritz Simrock:

On the cover you must have a picture, namely a head with a pistol to it. now you can form some conception of the music! I'll send you my photograph for the purpose. You can use blue coat, yellow breeches and top-boots, since you seem to like colour-printing.

La Gaia Scienza/Winter and Winter follow this principle on their CD cover!

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« Reply #155 on: 22:20:56, 09-08-2007 »

For the record, Anthony Payne has said that his baptism of fire into the world of music and the piece that catapulted him into a realisation that he must be a musician of some kind was listening to a broadcast of Brahms's First Symphony; I can think of many so many inferior and less powerful ways to be made to get going!...

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« Reply #156 on: 10:20:14, 10-08-2007 »

For the record, Anthony Payne has said that his baptism of fire into the world of music and the piece that catapulted him into a realisation that he must be a musician of some kind was listening to a broadcast of Brahms's First Symphony; I can think of many so many inferior and less powerful ways to be made to get going!...
But just think of what a favour it would have done the rest of us if Anthony Payne had never turned on his radio!
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« Reply #157 on: 10:29:43, 10-08-2007 »

But just think of what a favour it would have done the rest of us if Anthony Payne had never turned on his radio!



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« Reply #158 on: 10:36:09, 10-08-2007 »

For the record, Anthony Payne has said that his baptism of fire into the world of music and the piece that catapulted him into a realisation that he must be a musician of some kind was listening to a broadcast of Brahms's First Symphony; I can think of many so many inferior and less powerful ways to be made to get going!...
But just think of what a favour it would have done the rest of us if Anthony Payne had never turned on his radio!
I AM thinking, as you recommend; I cannot get any results from that thinking, so perhaps you would care to provide some more specific assistance thereto...

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« Reply #159 on: 10:47:51, 10-08-2007 »

perhaps you would care
'Fraid not. Too payneful.
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« Reply #160 on: 13:41:35, 10-08-2007 »

perhaps you would care
'Fraid not. Too payneful.
Then I guess that I - and anyone else that might otherwise have been interested - will have to continue to bask in our ignorance, then. Ah, well...

In my own case, for Brahms's First Symphony read Chopin's Fourth Ballade; I hope that you do not harbour a similar wish that my own knob-twiddling at that time had been less adept than it was...(!)

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« Reply #161 on: 00:32:39, 20-08-2007 »

Brahms has come up in the 'Learning to Love' thread, wanted to post a particular favourite song, from the Op. 57 set.

I finally managed to give that a look today; it is, indeed, very beautiful.  I don't if I've said it before(I haven't on this thread), but the first piece by Brahms that I was ever really affected by was the song "O Tod, wie bitter bist du" I heard maybe just over a year ago (Can't remember the singer, but can remember Schiff was accompanying Wink ).
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