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Author Topic: Schumann: the centre of everything?  (Read 788 times)
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« on: 18:02:12, 22-08-2007 »

A friend who's in the process of reviewing this book for the LRB emailed me last week saying: 'I've suddenly realised that he [Schumann] is the centre of everything.' Without wanting to pre-empt his article, I thought I'd offer up that nugget to the messageboard wolves.

Has anyone read, or had a chance to look at, the Worthen book, which I think has just come out? Is it (likely to be) any good?

When I did a 2nd-year undergraduate course on Schumann the standard text seemed to be John Daverio's book:
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Forced by a hand injury to abandon a career as a pianist, Robert Schumann went on to become one of the world's great composers. Among many works, his Spring Symphony (1841), Piano Concerto in A Minor (1841/1845), and the Third, or Rhenish, Symphony (1850) exemplify his infusion of classical forms with intense, personal emotion. His musical influence continues today and has inspired many other famous composers in the century since his death. Indeed Brahms, in a letter of January 1873, wrote: 'The remembrance of Schumann is sacred to me. I will always take this noble pure artist as my model.'

Now, in Robert Schumann: Herald of a 'New Poetic Age', John Daverio presents the first comprehensive study of the composer's life and works to appear in nearly a century. Long regarded as a quintessentially romantic figure, Schumann also has been portrayed as a profoundly tragic one: a composer who began his career as a genius and ended it as a mere talent. Daverio takes issue with this Schumann myth, arguing instead that the composer's entire creative life was guided by the desire to imbue music with the intellectual substance of literature. A close analysis of the interdependence among Schumann's activities as reader, diarist, critic, and musician reveals the depth of his literary sensibility.

Drawing on documents only recently brought to light, the author also provides a fresh outlook on the relationship between Schumann's mental illness - which brought on an extended sanitarium stay and eventual death in 1856 - and his musical creativity. Schumann's character as man and artist thus emerges in all its complexity. The book concludes with an analysis of the late works and a postlude on Schumann's influence on successors from Brahms to Berg. This well-researched study of Schumann interprets the composer's creative legacy in the context of his life and times, combining nineteenth-century cultural and intellectual history with a fascinating analysis of the works themselves.
But the course I took seems to have led me to some false assumptions about Schumann's relationship to his predecessors, Bach in particular, which Ian kindly corrected me on the other week, since when I've been meaning to do some more reading around the subject.

Any thoughts on any of this?
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« Reply #1 on: 18:24:59, 22-08-2007 »

Philosophers have known since the 15th century at least that any chosen point in the universe can be taken as the center. Schumann can be the center, but you have to choose him.

Schumann was arguably one of the most influential people in the music world of his time & place, time is now. That has much more to do with his work as editor of the Neue Zeitschrift für Musik than his work as composer, though (even if that's hard to measure). Add to the mix his unusually headstrong and charismatic wife, and you get a good sense for where his reputation came from.

I have been intensely involved with Schumann's music for at least 15 years now, and though some of it can be categorized as 'mere trifles,' there lurks even in the most minor, tossed-off works a kind of love of the unknown and unknowable that I find extremely sympathetic. Many of Schumann's accomplishments in large-scale form as well as small were never really taken up by later generations and still sit there waiting to be digested.

Great favorites of mine (by no means a complete list):
Davidsbündlertänze
Romances, op. 28
Gesänge der Frühe
5 Stücke im Volkston
Symphony no. 3
Manfred Overture
the third Violin Sonata
Piano Quintet
String Quartet in A minor, op.41/1

...I'm trying to pare it down! I just deleted Das Paradies und die Peri so I can get on with my day.
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« Reply #2 on: 20:16:16, 22-08-2007 »

Centre of everything? I'm not sure I'd go quite that far (I suppose Bach, Mozart or Beethoven seem rather more obvious choices for that position), but he's certainly one of my favourites. For a while I've been particularly drawn to the works of the last decade and a bit (adore Genoveva, an opera that's far to seldom produced and of which only two recordings exist (listen to it after listening to Tannhäuser!), love Der Paradies und die Peri, Manfred, Requiem für Mignon, Der Rose Pilgefahrt, and lots else), and especially the choral works (can't recommend this set enough, and it's amazingly cheap). I haven't looked at Worthen's book yet - does the guy reviewing it have any thoughts on whether it either offers new archive-based data, or any new musical, biographical, social, cultural historical perspectives? Daverio is very good, probably the best of its type in English, but Schumann scholarship hasn't been a particularly fruitful area in this language (especially in the UK). I've just got the new Cambridge Companion to Schumann, which is not bad (those Cambridge Companions tend to be extremely variable in quality. There's more stuff by Daverio in there (some of the last stuff he wrote before he died, I think), a very good article by Jonathan Dunsby on the lieder and song cycles, and various other interesting chapters by Ulrich Tadday, Scott Burnham, Joseph Kerman, Nicholas Marston and others, and a particularly interesting chapter by Jörn Peter Hiekel on contemporary works that relate to Schumann. But I haven't kept up with all the recent Schumann scholarship (I've been reading more about Clara than Robert recently) - there's far more written in German, a lot of which I'm led to believe is of very high quality. There's no English translation of the Tagebücher or anything more than a tiny selection of the writings, though the complete Robert/Clara correspondence is available in a very good translation (though vastly more expensive in English than the German volumes are). All of this stuff is of great interest. Don't touch Peter Oswald's book with a bargepole!

With respect to the Neue Zeitschrift für Musik, Schumann was certainly influential in setting up a new, radical magazine of music criticism, but he did only stay as editor for nine years, after which it moved in a very different direction. Schumann could have been the figure who could bridge the distinct camps in the 'War of the Romantics' (though the way things were going in his last years, using his championing of Brahms as a retort to the different aesthetic stance of Franz Brendel, this maybe is unlikely). But I find it fascinating to imagine what might have been different if he'd lived another 20 or 30 years.

Will post some thoughts on particular works at some point.
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« Reply #3 on: 20:58:29, 22-08-2007 »


Davidsbündlertänze
Romances, op. 28
Gesänge der Frühe
5 Stücke im Volkston
Symphony no. 3
Manfred Overture
the third Violin Sonata
Piano Quintet
String Quartet in A minor, op.41/1

Amen to almost all of that, but replace the Manfred Overture and Sym #3 with Noveletten and Humoreske, if you please. 

Schumann's piano music is some of the most important music in the world for me, full stop.  That string quartet and the quintet are up there, and I share Ian's rare good feelings towards Der Rose Pilgefahrt and the Requiem für Mignon; the symphonies, fine though they are, aren't centre-of-everything material for me... but Davidsbündlertänze, Noveletten, Humoreske, Carnaval, Gesänge der Frühe, Bunte Blatter and the rest are more than enough.  not to mention, of course, the writings, which seal the deal...

(I took a wonderful class in college on Schumann as well - don't forget the op. 4 Intermezzi, which I first fell in love with then - but don't remember any particular secondary sources as particularly revelatory.)
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« Reply #4 on: 21:04:24, 22-08-2007 »

For me, the "Scenes from Goethe's Faust" is/are superb...though I have that feeling about almost all his works...centre of everything? Needs a definition of "everything" methinks...
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« Reply #5 on: 21:33:14, 22-08-2007 »

Haven't got time to laud S in the way I'd like (I'm in broad agreement with the S-heads who've already posted - one of the few composers whose music can turn on the waterworks for me, and for reasons I can never quite pinpoint), but can't resist putting in a word for the Symphonic Variations; one of the greatest 19th C variation sets, if you ask me.
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« Reply #6 on: 21:51:15, 22-08-2007 »

Certainly central to my musical life.  Schumann seems to exercise a tremendous hold on his admirers and I've always thought it stems from the Florestan/Eusebius duality that characterises his work and with which I suspect, many of us may identify.  Only Elgar equals this degree of personal association with music for me.
There is such simplicity of means in so much of his music and so much expressive content that I think he is only equalled by Schubert and perhaps Chopin, at least that's how I hear it.
The Album for the Young contains quintessential Schumann pieces, endearing and moving and can be approached by modest players, much else is difficult, as much for its expressive demands as in its technical requirements.  A day without Schumann is a poorer day.
Barthes wrote a good essay 'On loving Schumann' , well worth reading.
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« Reply #7 on: 23:59:41, 22-08-2007 »

For me, the "Scenes from Goethe's Faust" is/are superb...
... except the last scene, which always feels to me like the music isn't yet quite there...

Apart from which, when we're giving Schumann the collective thumbs-up let's not forget dozens of his songs.
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« Reply #8 on: 14:00:59, 23-08-2007 »

Apart from which, when we're giving Schumann the collective thumbs-up let's not forget dozens of his songs.

Dichterliebe is probably my favorite album released before 1960. Every time I go back to it (listening these days more than singing), I find something new.
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« Reply #9 on: 14:44:04, 23-08-2007 »

Great favorites of mine (by no means a complete list):
Davidsbündlertänze
Romances, op. 28
Gesänge der Frühe
5 Stücke im Volkston
Symphony no. 3
Manfred Overture
the third Violin Sonata
Piano Quintet
String Quartet in A minor, op.41/1
Very interesting to me, as I don't know many of these pieces at all. I'm fond of the oratorios and, as I say, of as many of the songs as I can get hold of, but I think my favourite orchestral piece would be the Second Symphony, whose second movement is for me the perfect embodiment of the Romantic in music, followed by the Piano Concerto (and not forgetting the Konzertstück), and the piano music doesn't do much for me. I explain this to myself partly in terms of its texture being monotonous and stuck around the middle of the keyboard, though I wonder if I would think this if I'd heard any of it played on the kind of instrument it was written for, which seems to be a thing very few pianists are interested in doing (it was Andreas Staier's recording of the concerto which opened my ears to it).
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« Reply #10 on: 14:54:22, 23-08-2007 »

(and not forgetting the Konzertstück)
You're right, even my very pared down list should have included the Konzertstück. Four chromatic horns -- what a naive fool he was!
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« Reply #11 on: 14:54:37, 23-08-2007 »

Great favorites of mine (by no means a complete list):
Davidsbündlertänze
Romances, op. 28
Gesänge der Frühe
5 Stücke im Volkston
Symphony no. 3
Manfred Overture
the third Violin Sonata
Piano Quintet
String Quartet in A minor, op.41/1
Very interesting to me, as I don't know many of these pieces at all. I'm fond of the oratorios and, as I say, of as many of the songs as I can get hold of, but I think my favourite orchestral piece would be the Second Symphony, whose second movement is for me the perfect embodiment of the Romantic in music, followed by the Piano Concerto (and not forgetting the Konzertstück), and the piano music doesn't do much for me. I explain this to myself partly in terms of its texture being monotonous and stuck around the middle of the keyboard, though I wonder if I would think this if I'd heard any of it played on the kind of instrument it was written for, which seems to be a thing very few pianists are interested in doing (it was Andreas Staier's recording of the concerto which opened my ears to it).
Were I to try to list those works of Schumann that mean the most to me, my post might well be thought to be interminable. My view of much piano music is admittedly quite different to yours, Richard, although I suppose that I would regard the peaks of that part of his output as being the Fantaisie and the original version of the Études Symphoniques. I have heard all manner of less than positive comments about his three piano sonatas but I really cannot buy into these reservations at all. The piano quartet is also a far finer work than its relative paucity of performances might suggest, although the piano quintet in the same key is surely one of Schumann's unquestionably greatest achievements - so much so, indeed, as to have put the piano quintet medium "on the map" for the future, so to speak.

As to Schumann's legacy, it is almosst certainly greater and moe wide-ranging than most people credit; Elgar drew much, I think, from Schumann and I happen also to believe that Medtner got even more from Schumann than he is more famously supposed to have derived from Brahms, when one considers their respective approaches to fantasy miniatures, so to speak.

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« Reply #12 on: 15:07:11, 23-08-2007 »

Also, my list was not meant to be merely a best of Schumann, but more a list of pieces that combine quality with risk-of-being-overlooked. So it's perhaps consistent that you don't know these pieces. Otherwise, I'd certainly have also included op. 17
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« Reply #13 on: 18:11:00, 23-08-2007 »

I think that if you are really, really mad keen on a composer, you tend to think of them as the central figure just because of your own adoration of said figure.  It does sort of blinker your opinion of others!

Having said that, I really thoroughly enjoy Schumann's works, especially the Fantasie, Op.17, the Symphonic Variations, the Symphonies and the Konzertstucke for 4 horns (and I have to stop here as I'll keep on adding things like The Overture, Scherzo and Finale... arghhhhhh)
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« Reply #14 on: 11:58:10, 24-08-2007 »

As to Schumann's legacy, it is almosst certainly greater and moe wide-ranging than most people credit; Elgar drew much, I think, from Schumann and I happen also to believe that Medtner got even more from Schumann than he is more famously supposed to have derived from Brahms, when one considers their respective approaches to fantasy miniatures, so to speak.

I can definitely feel sense in what you're saying there (I have Horowitz's comeback performance of the Schumann C-major Fantasy in mind when I say this).
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