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thompson1780
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« on: 23:20:11, 23-04-2008 »
I was just round at a friend's and they played me a CD 'blind'.  I couldn't guess who it was, but said bits sounded like Bruckner, and some bits really like Mahler.

It was this:



Click on this image for a relevant link (cotifarl)

Sure enough, Rott was a student of Bruckner, and studied with Mahler.  Rott died at the age of 25 in 1884, having written his first symphony in 1880.  Here's some info about him.

Now, if you listen to the Rott Symphony, you'll undoubtedly hear trumpet calls that sound just like Mahler's first symphony, which was written in 1888 (and premiered in 1889 and then revised).

I now have to look at / listen to the Mahler in a completely different way, with an image of someone either paying homage to a deceased colleague or stealing credit from his work....

Anyone got any views / more info on Rott?

Tommo
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« Reply #1 on: 04:43:11, 24-04-2008 »
Golly, it sure rings a bell. Must dig.
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thompson1780
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« Reply #2 on: 08:49:32, 24-04-2008 »
It was late last night and I was a little ambiguous...

When I said he "studied with Mahler", I meant it in the sense of they were fellow students together.

Hope that makes the above post clearer.

And indeed, turfers, I think I shall be investigating more!

Tommo
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« Reply #3 on: 08:52:25, 24-04-2008 »
I think there's been at least some discussion of Rott before, maybe at TOP. There are convincing pre-echoes of Mahler's 1st and 2nd symphonies in Rott's, and it seems pretty clear to me that some important aspects of Mahler's symphonic style (as well as a few themes) do derive directly from him. Structurally, Rott's symphony is somewhat rambling and incoherent - he certainly doesn't have Bruckner's grasp of musical architecture, but it seems reasonable to assume that had he lived he would probably have developed into a composer of great stature. (On the other hand he might never have built on this promising beginning: it does happen.) My guess is that Mahler saw in the young composer's work a vast potential for musical development and consciously or subconsciously drew on it in the early stages of his own symphonic oeuvre. One could call that stealing or paying tribute (if there's a difference where composers are concerned!), but it's worth remembering that no amount of stealing can make a mediocre composer into anything else.
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