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That was the question put to me earlier today by a friend re. Without tempo indication from Suite 3 in G major from Handel`s Water music. I couldn`t give an answer, but perhaps someone here can?
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #1 on: 13:50:53, 13-05-2007 » |
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I know that Suite pretty well and have played it myself extensively... what's the problem with it?  |
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« Reply #2 on: 13:59:39, 13-05-2007 » |
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If there is no tempo indication it is usually possible to deduce how fast to play it.
There could be dances (menuets, bourree, Gigue or something). Also by trying it many different ways one usually stambles on the right tempo for himself.
Tempo is the most difficult thing for me to decide upon.
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« Reply #3 on: 14:41:31, 13-05-2007 » |
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I know that Suite pretty well and have played it myself extensively... what's the problem with it? Reiner, please be gentle with me, I`m not a musician :)My friend, who at least can play an instrument (as an amateur) was just baffled as to how the players approached and performed the piece in the absence of guidance on tempo. This seemed to be highlighted for him by the following Rigaudon, which had an identifiable rhythm. So, pas de problem! Just wanted to set `im straight , so I came straight to The Temple of Many Oracles  |
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #4 on: 15:55:30, 13-05-2007 » |
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Sorry, I was just being thick I think Trained-Pianist is right here... the dance-form for the movement concerned will usually give you a pretty good guide on tempo... in fact you could say the movement-name "is" the tempo-marking. If you ever do these things with dancers, the dancers will very quickly tell you if you're going too fast or too slow ;-) Having said that, the last time I did it the conductor surprised me by taking the final movement "presto vivace", and I had to slink off and practice my ornaments to get them up to double-speed |
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« Reply #5 on: 18:48:32, 13-05-2007 » |
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Thanks Reiner and t-p. I think I get the general gist. It was just the track listed as `Without tempo indication` 2` 31" followed by Rigaudon etc that caused the `Huh?` reaction, as in what is it supposed to be? Thanks chaps  I`ll pass your words on. Yours in denseness Morticia |
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« Reply #6 on: 22:54:55, 13-05-2007 » |
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Mort, you? Dense? I would contend to the contrary.  |
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« Reply #7 on: 23:15:54, 13-05-2007 » |
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Merci, Monsieur Vert <curtseyfanflutteringemoticon> |
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John W
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« Reply #8 on: 23:22:13, 13-05-2007 » |
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On the subject of How the hell do they play that?! I was very impressed by the player of a Baroque valveless-trumpet in a Bach Brandenburg video that Bryn linked to in a thread at the other place. Brandenburg No 2All six concertos can be viewed at E BarocchistiJohn W |
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #9 on: 00:39:11, 14-05-2007 » |
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Extremely impressive clarino playing, John! The recorder player is pretty good too. It all goes at a flying lick.
They dance around quite a lot, though, don't they?
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« Reply #10 on: 00:44:02, 14-05-2007 » |
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Yes I was very impressed, and intrigued how often and rapidly the recorder left the player's mouth while playing. I'm essentially self taught on the recorder and never played it like that, is he just showing off?
Only watched No 2, don't think we can download them.
John W
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« Reply #11 on: 13:30:23, 14-05-2007 » |
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Only watched No 2, don't think we can download them.
John W
I don't know whether you can download the video, but you can certainly record the streaming audio to Total Recorder or something similar, John. The sound is terrific, the balance between the solo players is always good so you can hear the recorders even when the trumpet is playing. Makes it almost better than live! (Don't tell anyone I said that, will you?). Music without pictures. |
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« Reply #12 on: 13:35:44, 14-05-2007 » |
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is he just showing off? I think they are all showing off a bit, but with playing like that it's probably allowed |
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« Reply #14 on: 14:16:43, 14-05-2007 » |
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Kenneth Sillito and the Virtuosi of England made some fine recordings back then and got me into Baroque music. I had that one, too! CFP - how it was derided at the time, but what fab recordings appeared on it! The Cluytens Beethoven Symphonies... |
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