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« on: 15:02:08, 31-08-2007 » |
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I'm listening to: Hotteterre: Suite fur flute & BC BC?  |
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Allegro, ma non tanto
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Biroc
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« Reply #1 on: 15:06:45, 31-08-2007 » |
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Bass Clarinet?
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John W
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« Reply #2 on: 15:08:15, 31-08-2007 » |
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Hi IRF, That would be basso continuo, accompaniment with a bass instrument, cello most likely I'm guessing, but the composer was baroque so probably correct  John W |
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richard barrett
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« Reply #3 on: 15:08:31, 31-08-2007 » |
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"Basso continuo" - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basso_continuo - not an instrument but a bass line (with "figures" to indicate the harmonies to be filled in above it), whose actual instrumentation might vary according to geography and historical period (and, in modern performances, how many instruments the musicians want to show off). Biroc, facing the wall please. |
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John W
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« Reply #4 on: 15:13:38, 31-08-2007 » |
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IRF,
I'm sure Richard's definition is more correct, indeed I expect the continuo would be played on a harpsichord
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George Garnett
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« Reply #5 on: 15:23:46, 31-08-2007 » |
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One of the reasons why Trio Sonatas almost invariably have one, two, four or five players, but only very, very rarely three.  It's one of those outrages about the musical world which a benevolent dictator worth his salt would have sorted out long ago. My personal preference is always for a tortoise and a theorbo. |
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Biroc
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« Reply #6 on: 15:25:39, 31-08-2007 » |
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Biroc, facing the wall please.
Again...? *sigh* Teach me to read questions too quickly...  |
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #7 on: 15:27:49, 31-08-2007 » |
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harpsichord + cello or viola-da-gamba would be nice.... could equally be a theorbo or archlute + a bass instrument  Considering it's French music, gamba might preferable, but it's a movable feast |
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IgnorantRockFan
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« Reply #8 on: 15:32:18, 31-08-2007 » |
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Ah, thank you. I knew what continuo was but I've never come across the term basso continuo before.
That explains why I can hear a "backing" instrument that I thought was either a harpsicord or a cello (!). I'm guessing it's probably both?
The CD notes are virtually non-existant...
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« Reply #9 on: 15:35:21, 31-08-2007 » |
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 Biroc's Confusion I suppose it would be comparable to a song with "guitar" chord symbols today. Although perhaps, slightly more flexible. |
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #10 on: 09:42:18, 01-09-2007 » |
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Indeed care is indicated here - cello and harpsichord used to be the default assumption not so long ago but it's looking like the actual historical take-up of the new-fangled cello during the Baroque was a lot more limited than its use nowadays might imply. It now seems unlikely that even the Bach suites were actually written for the cello, for example. Harpsichord also wasn't quite as common as it is now in Baroque ensemble music (especially in the early Baroque) - hardly surprising, all that lugging about when you could just haul along a theorbo and Roberto's your uncle.
And then there's the flamenco style of theorbo playing. Don't get me started on that one.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #11 on: 09:46:37, 01-09-2007 » |
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It now seems unlikely that even the Bach suites were actually written for the cello, for example Or indeed by Bach, right?  |
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« Reply #12 on: 09:49:41, 01-09-2007 » |
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Well, put it this way, at the time of writing the Kuijken brothers seem to be going with the 'viola da spalla' but I haven't heard anything suggesting they're about to jump on the 'Bach didn't write the cello suites' bandwagon...
What is the evidence there in fact? (Apart from the manuscript being in the handwriting of another member of the Bach household.)
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George Garnett
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« Reply #13 on: 10:30:18, 01-09-2007 » |
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The current view is that only the Toccata and Fugue BWV 565 is fully authenticated to be by Johann Sebastian himself. The other works previously attributed to him are so stylistically at variance with this that they are now thought to be by other hands, possibly those of his half brother, "Other" Hans.
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