Don Basilio
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« on: 16:50:45, 10-05-2008 » |
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There's loads of music for Christmas and Passiontide, there's Easter music, there's requiems a plenty for All Souls, but not much springs to mind for tommorrow - Pentecost in the Western calendar, or to use the old fashioned name, Whitsun, the festival of the Coming of the Spirit. I imagine Bach did a cantata or two. Anyone know them? Are they among his best? Any other suitable musical pieces (settings of Veni Creator Spiritus definitely count)?
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven. A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #1 on: 17:05:42, 10-05-2008 » |
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Antheil
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« Reply #2 on: 17:25:18, 10-05-2008 » |
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Messiaen's or Palestrina's Pentecostal Mass or of course William Booth's Oh God of Burning Cleansing Flame!
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #3 on: 18:29:59, 10-05-2008 » |
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And, presumably written with this specific occasion in mind, Giles Swayne's Pentecost Music, as played on Ao3 earlier this week.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #4 on: 21:04:13, 10-05-2008 » |
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William Booth's Oh God of Burning Cleansing Flame!
Is that the one from Salvation Army Hymn Book with the chorus Send the Fire! Send the Fire!? I have persuaded my vicar to have it tomorrow to the tune of Keep the Red Flag Flying High. Unfortunately I am teaching in the Sunday School and will probably miss it.
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« Reply #5 on: 12:24:48, 11-05-2008 » |
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William Booth's Oh God of Burning Cleansing Flame!
Is that the one from Salvation Army Hymn Book with the chorus Send the Fire! Send the Fire!? I have persuaded my vicar to have it tomorrow to the tune of Keep the Red Flag Flying High. Gosh!! That must have been rousing Don B! I would have loved to have heard that. I suppose there is Oh Lord, give thy Holy Spirit by Tallis or Veni, Sancte Spiritus by Dunstable but as you say, not a lot immediately springs to mind. There was a live Pentecost Eucharist from Truro Cathedral on BBC1 this morning, probably will be on iplayer later if anyone is interested. Also, can I mention next week is Christian Aid Week. So any of those duplicate, or bought by mistake cds you never listen to or books you'll never read, get them down to your local Church or CAW stall.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #6 on: 13:33:20, 11-05-2008 » |
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They did sing Send the Fire! Send the Fire to the tune of The Red Flag, but I was out rehearsing the Sunday School for doing their reading next week ("Once more with feeling. Darling, you were wonderful. It'll be all right on the night, etc. etc.")
I was in church for the final hymn which was Come down O love divine to RVW's lovely tune, Down Ampney.
I wore my best red jacket, to mark the day (red being the liturgical colour) and was a bit miffed that at least two people wondered if I was from Butlins'. "I bought in Liberty's" I replied frostily.
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« Reply #7 on: 13:44:37, 11-05-2008 » |
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They did sing Send the Fire! Send the Fire to the tune of The Red Flag I was in church for the final hymn which was Come down O love divine to RVW's lovely tune, Down Ampney. I wore my best red jacket, to mark the day (red being the liturgical colour) and was a bit miffed that at least two people wondered if I was from Butlins'. "I bought in Liberty's" I replied frostily.
Actually Don B, after you said about the William Booth I was singing along and it really does go with the tune of The Red Flag! I feel quite honoured your Church sung my suggestion. Truro had Come Down O Love Divine and some wonderful flame red and orange flower displays. Well, of course, any fule should kno the difference between the quality of a Liberty's jacket and a Butlins redcoat. That made me laugh though.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #8 on: 14:08:09, 11-05-2008 » |
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For Veni Creator Spiritus I was hoping some Mahler lover would mention the first part of his Symphony 8 (soi disant "of a thousand") where the Latin hymn provides the words of part 1.
I once heard it described on some cheepy sleeve notes to Mahler 8 as "an old catholic hymn" as though it was "Daily daily sing to Mary" or "Hail glorious Saint Patrick, sweet saint of our isle."
It is one of the best known hymns of medieval, or late antique, Christian Latin, and in translation the only hymn in the Anglican Book of Common Prayer (in the ordination service) as Come Holy Ghost, our souls inspire.
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« Reply #9 on: 15:06:07, 11-05-2008 » |
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I am afraid my knowledge of Mahler is very limited and I can't comment on Veni Creator Spiritus (shame Mahlerei isn't around anymore)
What strikes me is how few people even know it is Pentecost and what Pentecost means. Wasn't there an infamous survey about Easter in which most people thought it was about rabbits?
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #10 on: 15:13:10, 11-05-2008 » |
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In my childhood, everyone would have known about Whitsun, as the Monday was a bank holiday.
The Wilson government set the bank holiday as the last Monday in May.
Vatican 2, followed by the C of E and other churches, returned to the primitive understanding that Pentecost was the final day of the Easter season, so it was inappropriate to keep the following days as a religious festival.
It is an older and more important festival than Christmas, but the concept of the Spirit will never appear as attractive as the idea of babies.
I asked my Sunday School could they think of any words beginning "Pente" and one lad says "Pentagon". I ask him what that means. "A five sided figure." So I explain Pente is the Greek for five,or in this case fifty. Can they think what happened fifty days ago? And to my relief one of them comes up with Easter. I was impressed.
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« Reply #11 on: 17:01:59, 11-05-2008 » |
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Lassus Veni Creator Spiritus from York Minster just now.
If I knew how, I'd do one of those Crufts-style Judge's Reports they do over at TOP ("Accurate beefy tone in the middle registers supported by solid chesty bottom from the basses. Slightly anaemic top line lacking in 'welly' ... ) but I'll leave that to the master, Draco M.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #12 on: 17:13:28, 11-05-2008 » |
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If I knew how, I'd do one of those Crufts-style Judge's Reports they do over at TOP ("Accurate beefy tone in the middle registers supported by solid chesty bottom from the basses. Slightly anaemic top line lacking in 'welly' ... )
Giggle, giggle. That gets it off to a tee.
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven. A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #13 on: 17:23:07, 11-05-2008 » |
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If I knew how, I'd do one of those Crufts-style Judge's Reports they do over at TOP ("Accurate beefy tone in the middle registers supported by solid chesty bottom from the basses. Slightly anaemic top line lacking in 'welly' ... )
Giggle, giggle. That gets it off to a tee. I am just amazed at the level of ignorance about Christian Festivals. Was it that our heads were so stuffed with "You will lean St. Paul's many Epistles to the Bluddy Boring Corinthians before his next Conversion next Wednesday week on Pain of Damnation and the thought of the Fiery Furnaces" that Verily, we can recite C&V verses 1-13, or is not RI taught in Schools anymore? And if not, then it is a shame. At the risk of sounding like a grumpy old personage, it was The Bible that gave me my love of language. (A collective sigh was heard from many a Badger)
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #14 on: 17:38:16, 11-05-2008 » |
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But that's presumably pre-NEB, Anty. The King James version sonorously declaimed in vast vaulted spaces is an inspirational thing of beauty, but I'm not convinced that a reading from the New English Bible has anything like the same power to affect the listener.
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