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Author Topic: Vítězslav Novák  (Read 561 times)
Antheil
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« on: 16:27:23, 14-09-2008 »

I have been sent a cd of Vítězslav Novák's Boure (Storm)  I am loving it so much it is playing constantly.  (Thank you, you know who you are!)

Now, I understand from some googling that this was him at his height.  So, do I progress further and buy more, and if so, what?

I find undertones of Rachmaninoff and Francesca and Isle of the Dead in this.

I think perhaps Mr. Sydney Grew may help me in my quest?
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« Reply #1 on: 16:40:26, 14-09-2008 »

I love Novák's Tempest too. Others will no doubt feel differently, but I don't know of a better piece by him, and most of his output is nowhere near on the same level of inspiration. I do have a soft spot for "In the Tatras" (V Tatrach) and the piece-formerly-known-as the Slovak Suite.

In the curiosity corner, there's the "May" Symphony, which I think is dedicated to Stalin...
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« Reply #2 on: 16:56:51, 14-09-2008 »

I love Novák's Tempest too. Others will no doubt feel differently, but I don't know of a better piece by him, and most of his output is nowhere near on the same level of inspiration. I do have a soft spot for "In the Tatras" (V Tatrach) and the piece-formerly-known-as the Slovak Suite.

In the curiosity corner, there's the "May" Symphony, which I think is dedicated to Stalin...

I thought this might be the case makropulos, sort of quit while you are ahead option and do not investigate further?
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« Reply #3 on: 17:34:28, 14-09-2008 »

I think perhaps Mr. Sydney Grew may help me in my quest?

We think perhaps Mr. Norman Lebrecht might be even more helpful. He tell us of "Eternal Longing" (1905) and "Timan/Toman and the Wood Nymph" (1908) that "both are heavily decadent and were performed together under the title 'Desire and Passion'." Madame might care to sample one or the other or indeed both of those.

Then the "Lady Godiva" of 1907 should not be allowed to pass without remark; as nor indeed should "Pan" (1910); but if she wishes to carry on in the rich vein of truly political music there is always the renowned "De Profundis" from the year 1941.
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« Reply #4 on: 17:41:21, 14-09-2008 »

I love Novák's Tempest too. Others will no doubt feel differently, but I don't know of a better piece by him, and most of his output is nowhere near on the same level of inspiration. I do have a soft spot for "In the Tatras" (V Tatrach) and the piece-formerly-known-as the Slovak Suite.

In the curiosity corner, there's the "May" Symphony, which I think is dedicated to Stalin...

I thought this might be the case makropulos, sort of quit while you are ahead option and do not investigate further?

I wouldn't quit ! Just prepare for a few disappointments as well as delights.
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« Reply #5 on: 17:41:59, 14-09-2008 »

I think perhaps Mr. Sydney Grew may help me in my quest?

Then the "Lady Godiva" of 1907 should not be allowed to pass without remark; as nor indeed should "Pan" (1910); but if she wishes to carry on in the rich vein of truly political music there is always the renowned "De Profundis" from the year 1941.


Madame Antheil is indebted to Mr. Grew and has indeed revised her opinion of him!
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« Reply #6 on: 19:26:17, 14-09-2008 »

I was also a happy recipient of the Vítězslav Novák 'Storm' CD and have a few other Novák discs in my collection...

I think perhaps Mr. Sydney Grew may help me in my quest?

We think perhaps Mr. Norman Lebrecht might be even more helpful. He tell us of "Eternal Longing" (1905) and "Timan/Toman and the Wood Nymph" (1908) that "both are heavily decadent and were performed together under the title 'Desire and Passion'." Madame might care to sample one or the other or indeed both of those.

Then the "Lady Godiva" of 1907 should not be allowed to pass without remark; as nor indeed should "Pan" (1910); but if she wishes to carry on in the rich vein of truly political music there is always the renowned "De Profundis" from the year 1941.


Each of these compositions described by Mr Grew is worthy of investigation. There is a Chandos CD which contains De profundis, Toman and the Wood Nymph and Lady Godiva. A Virgin Classics CD, which could prove harder to find, has the Slovak Suite, In the Tatra mountains and Eternal Longing; both discs are conducted by Libor Pešek.
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« Reply #7 on: 12:36:10, 15-09-2008 »

Indebted as we are to no doubt the selfsame member as Miss Antheil for our copy, we too are currently enjoying, in a somewhat jawdropped fashion, The Storm. A composer heartily ripe for further investigation is not he?
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« Reply #8 on: 22:54:56, 15-09-2008 »

As noted here, I have a recording of the serenades.  Wonderful, but very different from the Storm (for which I am very much indebted to the same people as yourself, Antheil).

As it happens, I also have one movement of the slovakian suite that makro mentions - the 'Amorous Couple'.  That's a musical Nom Nom Nom too.

I need to find more Novak.  He just seems a little classier than Fibich (who by the way also wrote a Boure, and a Toman a lesni panna - again both really good works).

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« Reply #9 on: 18:09:28, 16-09-2008 »

I have now acquired Lady Godiva, De profundis, Toman & The Wood Nymph (Chandos) and The Slovak Suite (In the Tatra Mountains & Eternal Longing - Virgin.)  Also have found this thread which was started by Mr. Grew last year which I hadn't read before. 

http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=773.0
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« Reply #10 on: 16:29:07, 17-09-2008 »

Thank to A Very Kind Member I am now also in the happy company of those with a recording of Novak's The Storm. Glorious stuff! Yet another example of this Board introducing me to something which I wouldn't have thought was my thing at all and proving me spectacularly wrong. Thank you AVKM.

Before I know it I'll be drooling all over King Roger next.
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« Reply #11 on: 16:44:14, 17-09-2008 »

Glorious stuff! Yet another example of this Board introducing me to something which I wouldn't have thought was my thing at all and proving me spectacularly wrong

It is wonderful when that happens George, this afternoon I have had Lady Godiva, Toman and the Wood Nymph and just into De profundis. NOM!
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« Reply #12 on: 20:16:24, 22-10-2008 »

Came across a 3-CD set of the piano music today, performed by Frantisek Rauch - old (well 60s + 70s) recordings put out by Supraphon.
A couple of big pieces first. Sonata Eroica (22') and Pan (54'). Will no doubt report back.

Here's info + a review

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=78719
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« Reply #13 on: 19:53:02, 03-11-2008 »

The 3 CD set includes the following

CD1 - 6 sonatinas op 54 (1919-20)

CD2 - Sonata eroica op 24 (1900)
      - Pan op 43 (1910)

CD3 - 4 Bagatelles op 5 (1899)
      - My May (4 pieces) op 20 (1899)
      - Songs on winter nights (4 pieces) (1902-3)
      - Youth (12 of the 21 pieces) (1920)

I've not been particularly grabbed by Novak's earlier music and this is confirmed by the 1899 pieces in this collection. The 22-minute Sonata Eroica (2 movements) is possibly the first work that points the way to more striking areas - and it's a protest against social oppression - and by the time of the Songs on winter nights, those areas have become particularly interesting. There is a suspicion that Novak is more impressive in his works involving orchestra: one of the reasons is the piano writing which (big generalisation) is not that of a composer-pianist. Indeed the big work, the 5-movement Pan often sounds like an orchestral transcription especially in the opening section. There's nothing wrong with that of course, but I do wonder if his orchestral version (made a couple of years later) will turn out to be rather more satisfying. The Sonata Eroica is rather more naturally pianistic, but even that seems to hanker after an orchestration at times. That said, Pan is a fine piece, though not in the same class as The Storm - I wonder if it ever gets live performances?
The 6 sonatinas and Youth were intended at least partly as educational projects and that shadow falls over the first 4 of the sonatinas, attractive though they are. I was rather more impressed with the selections from Youth, many of which are designed for beginners but are so elegant that it was easy to forget that.
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« Reply #14 on: 23:35:03, 03-11-2008 »

Years ago I was tempted to get King Roger on the basis of the cover



And there was an even nicer young man, with even less clothing, on the back of the box.

I see that set is no longer available.  Maybe the music is OK.
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