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I've only been half-listening to Radio 3 this morning, but I just heard Jeremy...someone - didn't catch the surname - saying that he would put Berlioz in Room 101. He said Berlioz came from nowhere, did nothing, was going nowhere and just really took up his time.
I disagree myself but I wondered, especially with all the musicians who post on here, how many people would agree with him?
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Tam Pollard
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« Reply #1 on: 11:33:50, 13-05-2007 » |
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I've not had all that great a relationship with Berlioz but I certainly wouldn't put him into room 101.
If think, to some extent, the problem lay that my first really serious explanation of his music (beyond the symphony fantastique) was was with the Davis/LSO live box which didn't altogether wow me on my first visit (though I've been meaning to revisit it ever since) - I think that it probably would have been better to start with something smaller. I very much like Harold en Italie though.
regards, Tam
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« Reply #2 on: 11:39:28, 13-05-2007 » |
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Berloiz had an immense influence on Liszt , Tchaikovsky and the Russian nationalists,and they in turn had a big influence on 20th century music.
It as foolish of Sams to display his ignorance.for one will never believe anything he says again.
I think we should remember that these controverisal items on Ian Burnside's programme are just there to create 'copy'.it's cynical and doesn't encourage the appreciation of music,which the BBC should be doing.
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« Reply #3 on: 11:43:50, 13-05-2007 » |
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Berloiz had an immense influence on Liszt , Tchaikovsky and the Russian nationalists,and they in turn had a big influence on 20th century music.
It as foolish of Sams to display his ignorance.for one will never believe anything he says again.
I think we should remember that these controverisal items on Ian Burnside's programme are just there to create 'copy'.it's cynical and doesn't encourage the appreciation of music,which the BBC should be doing.
I agree very much. He also displayed his ignorance in his remark about Berlioz' only influences being Gluck and Spontini - what happened to Beethoven and Weber? There was the germ of an intelligent remark in Sams' comments about how the piano was a driving force in nineteenth century composition. The subject matter of an interesting interval talk, I thought - until I remembered that Radio 3 doesn't do live concerts, intervals or talks (as distinct from chat) any more ...  |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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Milly Jones
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« Reply #4 on: 11:46:48, 13-05-2007 » |
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Ah thank you. That's who it was. Jeremy Sams. It was a very forthright opinion at any rate and Iain Burnside described it as "refreshing", but then made a merry quip about getting him out of the building before a "kneecapping squad" had time to arrive. All very Classic FM don't you think?
At any rate, Berlioz for me shows a splendid "dark" side and many coloured moods. I certainly would never have put him in Room 101.
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« Reply #5 on: 11:48:37, 13-05-2007 » |
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Totally agree Smittins -juvenile idea without substance. The debate here is more provocative and more entertaining.
Jeremy someone sounds, typically for what seems to have be being aimed at by the slot, not to have got past his
teenage-equivalent aversions, ie to have sought to be challenged by the stuff in question.
...Sams the translator? There's an intellect there...perhaps a case of fallow period,'Will this do?' and c.o.d.
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Milly Jones
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« Reply #6 on: 11:54:27, 13-05-2007 » |
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You've just been quoted, Smittims! You and the first poster on the Berlioz thread on the official board.
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roslynmuse
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« Reply #7 on: 12:02:25, 13-05-2007 » |
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Berlioz is one of my all time favourites. I also think he was a truly great composer. Uneven - perhaps - but he was constantly striving; the integrity of EVERY note is never in doubt.
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« Reply #8 on: 20:58:07, 13-05-2007 » |
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He said Berlioz came from nowhere.
I don't know how true that is but so what if he did come from "nowhere"? It makes his achievements all the greater. |
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« Reply #9 on: 21:39:28, 13-05-2007 » |
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Not to keen on lot of his works but Harold in Italy is favourite and the Requiem is wonderful especially heard live...
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« Reply #10 on: 21:44:45, 13-05-2007 » |
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Harold in Italy is a wonderful piece. I tried to play it on the piano (there is a piano version), but it is so hard.
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MabelJane
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« Reply #11 on: 23:14:16, 13-05-2007 » |
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I love Berlioz.
Had anyone before him instructed the violins to play with the backs of their bows? (Witches' Sabbath, Symphonie Fantastique).
Has anyone since?
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« Reply #12 on: 23:21:55, 13-05-2007 » |
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Has anyone since? There's the opening to Mars from Holst's Planets.
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roslynmuse
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« Reply #13 on: 23:36:17, 13-05-2007 » |
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Last mt of Chopin Piano concerto Op 21 uses the col legno bowing; its first perf actually predates the first perf of symph fant by about 9 months!
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MabelJane
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« Reply #14 on: 23:44:45, 13-05-2007 » |
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Last mt of Chopin Piano concerto Op 21 uses the col legno bowing; its first perf actually predates the first perf of symph fant by about 9 months!
Has anyone since? There's the opening to Mars from Holst's Planets.
Thanks Tony and roslynmuse!  :-*It's something I've wondered about for years. What speedy replies we get here on R3ok! |
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