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« Reply #1725 on: 20:13:53, 10-11-2007 »

And very fine they are too.
Tell us more, M Soudain.

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« Reply #1726 on: 20:36:06, 10-11-2007 »

And very fine they are too.

Tell us more, M Soudain.

Don't you mean Sgr Improvviso? Wink

How are instruments used? and how many? and which ones? and how often? how big is the ripieno vocal ensemble? what's the basic vocal style used? how is intonation managed?

It would be lovely to have a complete recording of SMeS without any major flaws.

By popular demand... Wink

I don't have the complete set yet but I'm going to be getting it smartish. What I have is a sampler disc without any particular note of the performing 'philosophy'...

The instruments are 2 violins, 4 players on 'basses de viole, lirone et violone', 3 sackbuts, 3 theorbos, one harp, 3 players on organs and harpsichords, plus a group called La Fenice: 2 cornetts, 3 more sackbuts, a dulcian and 2 more violins. Not too far from Monteverdi's specifications: there are plenty of the pieces where he gives four trombones as an option in the scoring. There's often a lot happening in the continuo department (there's a big ensemble including the viols even for Ab aeterno ordinata sum (the bass solo)) and at the final cadences you can tell from the ornamentation they're all enjoying themselves.

It's a bit hard to tell with such a big ensemble but there's certainly a bit of mean-tone tuning going on - which is obviously pretty damn important with all this chromaticism. Pitch is just a shade north of a'=466 as far as I can tell. The violins seem to be basically used where Monteverdi gives them obbligati (which is pretty often of course).

There are 2 sops, 4 (male) altos, 3 tenors, 3 basses - but most things are sung as a solo consort, Beatus vir for example (which is now spinning). They seem to be up to the throat articulations, they're all reasonably low on vibrato but have plenty of tone and character; perhaps just a little more warmth in the sopranos might have been nice.

I think you'd like it, Richard. Antheil, I think you'd probably like it too! Smiley
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« Reply #1727 on: 20:39:29, 10-11-2007 »

I think you'd like it, Richard.

Oh dear. I think I would too.
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« Reply #1728 on: 20:42:15, 10-11-2007 »

Well, as soon as the set I just bought arrives I'm probably going to be looking for a new home for the sampler... Wink

...oh, and the Sonata a 12 by Massimiliano Neri (1615-1666) also gets a thumbs-up from me. If my ears aren't deceiving me the bass sackbutter drops a rather amazing pedal E at one point. Even (especially?) at a'=466 that's not something you hear every day.
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« Reply #1729 on: 22:24:44, 10-11-2007 »

If my ears aren't deceiving me the bass sackbutter drops a rather amazing pedal E at one point. Even (especially?) at a'=466 that's not something you hear every day.

Enough! You're making me come over all necessary.
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« Reply #1730 on: 23:05:14, 10-11-2007 »

Hindemith's Clarinet Sonata after trying out the first movement after a number of years this morning. I'd forgotten how good it is.
 
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« Reply #1731 on: 23:10:04, 10-11-2007 »

Jean Daetwyler, "Dialogue avec la nature" for Alphorn, Piccolo and Orchestra

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« Reply #1732 on: 00:24:40, 11-11-2007 »

Ah.

OK, found a potential quibble with the Akadêmia Selva morale.

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Some might quibble with Françoise Lasserre’s conception of the ‘complete’ Selva. Her decision to extract three distinct Vespers from the monumental collection has led her to sacrifice the five madrigals that serve as an introduction to the work, as well as the Salve Regina a voce sola and the final Pianto della Madonna. But the real interest of the undertaking of course lies elsewhere, in the irresistable élan of the group’s incandescent reading, carried off by the unified forces of the vocal ensemble and the colourful array of instruments including members of La Fenice led by cornettist Jean Tubéry.

That from here: http://www.goldbergweb.com/en/discography/2004/20831.php
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« Reply #1733 on: 01:50:37, 11-11-2007 »

Ah.

OK, found a potential quibble with the Akadêmia Selva morale.

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Some might quibble with Françoise Lasserre’s conception of the ‘complete’ Selva. Her decision to extract three distinct Vespers from the monumental collection has led her to sacrifice the five madrigals that serve as an introduction to the work, as well as the Salve Regina a voce sola and the final Pianto della Madonna. But the real interest of the undertaking of course lies elsewhere, in the irresistable élan of the group’s incandescent reading, carried off by the unified forces of the vocal ensemble and the colourful array of instruments including members of La Fenice led by cornettist Jean Tubéry.

That from here: http://www.goldbergweb.com/en/discography/2004/20831.php

That is indeed kind of annoying, but the Pianto is just the Lamento d'Arianna with different words and the other items aren't the most unforgettable of pieces (none of them has burned itself into my memory anyway), besides which I already have Junghänel's really complete recording, which isn't bad but which leaves me a bit cold (as do many of his recordings).
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« Reply #1734 on: 11:15:48, 11-11-2007 »

Bloch - Piano quintets and pieces for violin and piano. Some exciting stuff here, especially the 1st quintet and the 1st violin sonata. Not a sniff of the staid, over-serious diatonic modal stuff.
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« Reply #1735 on: 11:17:32, 11-11-2007 »

Krommer music for wind ensemble at the moment. Hoeprich and friends.

As far as Ernst Bloch goes, I remember opening a review once by saying that his very name stands as fair warning. A cheap shot, I know.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1736 on: 11:22:01, 11-11-2007 »

Steve Reich, Tehillim. I'll get fed up with it fairly soon but I've always had a soft spot for the canonic music in the first movement.
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« Reply #1737 on: 11:28:43, 11-11-2007 »

...shudder...

I've only played Tehillim once. New Year's Day concert, Berlin Philharmonie, live broadcast. Conductor had no idea how to beat it. In one of the rehearsals he was leaning over his score to ask the strings where we were. We only managed once to get through the whole thing without collapsing in a heap.

Fortunately that one time was the gig...   Lips sealed
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« Reply #1738 on: 11:45:55, 11-11-2007 »

...shudder...

Well who'd believe it? it's played all the way to the end. The last movement does sound increasingly like the close-harmony vocals that might accompany an old-fashioned TV commercial. And even in this "official" recording (ie. the Nonesuch one) the ensemble gets decidedly shaky now and then. I recall a QEH concert by SR&M in which the Octet had to be restarted because it derailed itself after half a minute or so (no conductor though).

I thought it was, you know, a relatively important part of a conductor's job to work out how to beat things.
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« Reply #1739 on: 12:04:53, 11-11-2007 »

I thought it was, you know, a relatively important part of a conductor's job to work out how to beat things.

Oh, you tease.
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