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« Reply #2475 on: 22:04:43, 23-03-2008 »

As for the balance, all the singers are clearly in front of the instrumental ensemble, as they wouldn't be in a "choral" performance, which necessarily means the individual voices in the chorus movements are more upfront than we're accustomed to hearing.
It's balance really, not placement - I've heard quite a few consort-sized performances of the cantatas live (including Cantus Cölln as well as some more humble groups) and that's not the balance I've heard even though the singers were certainly in front. There are other recordings (although not of the St Matthew yet) which more closely capture that sound. To me there are quite a few moments where it does indeed sound artificial: for example one particular 'seht die Geduld' in the opening chorus (about 3'26") where the alto very much seems to be getting some help (that or just singing too loud - as far as the musical effect goes it doesn't really matter to me which).

When I talk about it not being an opera (and not only not a Wagnerian or Verdian one but not even a Handelian one) I'm not really talking about pacing so much as dramatic projection and 'characterisation'. The first bass has Jesus' words but also has other things to do - singing Komm, süßes Kreuz and Mache dich, mein Herze, rein, for example. So identifying that singer with that character can only go so far; beyond that the structure of the piece is undermined. ("What's he doing singing? Isn't he supposed to be dead?" Wink) The story being told is also something the congregation knew not just blow for blow but word for word, so exaggerating the dramatic delivery of certain moments runs the risk of being redundant: if the Evangelist makes too much of well-known Bible text in recitative, for example.
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« Reply #2476 on: 23:23:42, 23-03-2008 »

Holliger's 2nd Quartet recorded off LA Wink

Update: I enjoyed it
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« Reply #2477 on: 00:22:53, 24-03-2008 »

The story being told is also something the congregation knew not just blow for blow but word for word, so exaggerating the dramatic delivery of certain moments runs the risk of being redundant: if the Evangelist makes too much of well-known Bible text in recitative, for example.
Conversely it could be said that given that the words would have been so familiar, a certain degree of dramatic emphasis might in Bach's time have been helpful in making them sound more real than just dogma learned by rote. This might possibly be inferred from the trend in German passion oratorios of the early 18th century to emphasise all the pain and suffering in quite graphic terms. But as I said, I don't hear this performance as exaggeratedly operatic in any way...
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« Reply #2478 on: 16:20:26, 24-03-2008 »

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Symphonies KV 319, 338 & 551

NDR Symphony Orchestra conducted by Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt



Superb! Smiley
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« Reply #2479 on: 14:21:50, 25-03-2008 »

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« Reply #2480 on: 14:25:51, 25-03-2008 »

I wouldn't object to some Leifs at the moment, Bryn.

I'm at my work and my HP Laser Jet printer is having problems. Fortunately, the sun is shining after days of terrible weather.
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« Reply #2481 on: 16:14:59, 25-03-2008 »

I've just put a CD of Elgar & Bridge Piano Quintets played by Coull Quartet + Allan Schiller on to play in RealPlayer and the online database has come up with Genre: General Trance

I know Elgar can be a bit soporific but I wouldn't go so far as that! Cheesy
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« Reply #2482 on: 16:18:46, 25-03-2008 »

A dress rehearsal recording of Benedict Mason's Chaplin Operas, courtesy of Anablog.
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« Reply #2483 on: 19:52:25, 25-03-2008 »

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« Reply #2485 on: 22:42:35, 25-03-2008 »

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« Reply #2486 on: 19:50:09, 26-03-2008 »



Bryn

Been tempted by this. is it worth getting?
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« Reply #2487 on: 19:54:45, 26-03-2008 »

Oh I think so, Dan. I do not regret ordering it one little bit. Amazon Marketplace was the best deal I could find. I hope they can justify the expense of putting on, and recording Part 2 some day. Mind you, if you happen to be allergic to parallel fifths ... Wink

I will be listening to it again, after tonight's Po3, which I a very much enjoying at the moment.
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« Reply #2488 on: 20:12:44, 26-03-2008 »

Mind you, if you happen to be allergic to parallel fifths ...
Doesn't Jón Leifs know that every time you write a parallel fifth, Bach kills a kitten? Cry
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« Reply #2489 on: 20:42:10, 26-03-2008 »

One of my favourite CDs:



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