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richard barrett
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« Reply #3345 on: 23:21:14, 27-08-2008 »
I agree that's the most interesting piece on the disc, followed by La Selva incantata. Actually I don't remember anything at all about the first two pieces. Maybe I should spin it too. I was wondering what to listen to while I rule these barlines (an ancient rite unknown in the present century).
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« Reply #3346 on: 23:29:55, 27-08-2008 »
Gerhard 4 and Rubbra 5 safely bagged, along with Pickard's The Flight of Icarus.
 
Quote from: time_is_now on 23:06:06, 27-08-2008
I got to know both Tippett 2 and 3 (and 1) through the Hickox recordings, which were the most easily available at that time (mid-1990s; in fact I may have been picking them up as they were released, come to think of it). They somehow didn't interfere with my taking a great interest in this music, although the 2nd's never really sunk in very deep. The 3rd is my favourite by some distance of the symphonies. Of course the Davis recordings are all boxed up and repackaged at such a cheap price on Decca now that there's really no reason not to get those.

I don't really know why I haven't got to know the Tippett symphonies; I really like The Rose Lake, the Corelli, the Concerto for Double String Orchestra, The Midsummer Marriage and The Knot Garden; a rental DVD of King Priam arrived today, but I've been occupied with the Proms this evening.

Quote from: time_is_now on 23:06:06, 27-08-2008
With the two R's on the Dutilleux suggestion. Especially the two symphonies and the violin concerto. And Mystère de l'instant, wonderful piece: I don't think my recording of that piece is on Chandos but I'm pretty sure Yan-Pascal Tortelier did the complete orchestral music so it must be in there somewhere. Sur le meme accord won't be, as it's much more recent, but I wouldn't worry about that if I were you: watered down late Dutilleux, if there's anything to be got I haven't got it yet, and I suspect there isn't.


I shall definitely choose some of these.

Quote from: time_is_now on 23:06:06, 27-08-2008
I know the Ondine catalogue quite well from my harmonia mundi distribution days and will try to think what else there you might like, besides the Roussel which as Richard says is very good indeed. Timpani is an excellent, excellent label (and I've never even worked for or with them!): pity that's not there.

Sadly, the Eschenbach Roussel isn't there. I have quite a few of their Rautavaara and Vasks discs, and might try out there latest Panufnik one, and some Saariaho. Those Helsinki PO/Segerstam Sibelius symphonies could well get the credit card itchy in time...  
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« Reply #3347 on: 23:39:49, 27-08-2008 »
Oh, the Ondine Panufnik (Sinfonia sfere + Sinfonia tinnersia forgettia late at night) is absolutely excellent: one of my favourite CDs of last year! Don't hesitate!
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« Reply #3348 on: 23:42:07, 27-08-2008 »
Quote from: time_is_now on 23:39:49, 27-08-2008
Sinfonia tinnersia )

But you would.
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« Reply #3349 on: 23:43:49, 27-08-2008 »
Quote from: time_is_now on 23:39:49, 27-08-2008
Oh, the Ondine Panufnik (Sinfonia sfere + Sinfonia tinnersia forgettia late at night) is absolutely excellent: one of my favourite CDs of last year! Don't hesitate!

Sacra, tinners....
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« Reply #3350 on: 23:46:01, 27-08-2008 »
Thankyia, Ronia. Smiley
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« Reply #3351 on: 23:48:07, 27-08-2008 »
Quote from: time_is_now on 23:39:49, 27-08-2008
Oh, the Ondine Panufnik (Sinfonia sfere + Sinfonia tinnersia forgettia late at night) is absolutely excellent: one of my favourite CDs of last year! Don't hesitate!

I know nothing. I am hesitating, though I shall stop doing so if you really think it's necessary.
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« Reply #3352 on: 23:51:01, 27-08-2008 »
Abbado, Tchaikovsky Symphony No 5 dvd, Berlin Phil live from Japan 1994.
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« Reply #3353 on: 00:19:32, 28-08-2008 »
Those Sinfonische Etüden and Poemi by Henze are a bit of a mess I think. As soon as the first Nachtstück begins you start to hear (what I think of as) the real Henze, though this piece still isn't one of the real highlights (after the opacity of the previous pieces on the disc some of it comes over as going too far in the other direction and ends up sounding threadbare). There's still a number of Henze's best pieces which haven't been recorded: Ariosi for soprano, violin and orchestra and the operas Il re cervo and (especially) We come to the river, for example.

I don't think Peter Ruzicka is a very inspiring conductor either, on the strength of some somewhat routine (and probably underrehearsed) playing here. Henze in his prime would have conducted this music with much more expressivity.

Having got to the end of the disc now I'm becoming convinced that the conductor more than the composer is responsible for making it the underwhelming experience that it is. Selva incantata is disappointing too. After a beautiful start it tends more and more towards a chugging scherzando and then stops - perhaps it shouldn't have been lifted from the opera König Hirsch where it belongs, with the vocal parts left in.
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« Reply #3354 on: 00:21:20, 28-08-2008 »
I'd strongly recommend this as an additional, alternative view: obviously not as well recorded, but there's a good deal to be said for hearing the Sacra's final movement at the composer's recommended speed rather than one 40% slower.

The Rustica (not recorded elsewhere) is a real charmer, too, though its bucolic vein with slightly astringent wrong-note harmony is perhaps not quite so much a Barrett necessity: but we're not a million miles away from Martinů here, and even closer to the Lutosławski of the Concerto for Orchestra.

Recordings I've loved for well over thirty-five years. <gulp>
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« Reply #3355 on: 00:29:24, 28-08-2008 »
Quote from: Ron Dough on 00:21:20, 28-08-2008
I'd strongly recommend this

The reviewer at Amazon seems to agree with you.

I really do know nothing at all about Panufnik's music.
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« Reply #3356 on: 00:34:58, 28-08-2008 »
Quote from: richard barrett on 00:29:24, 28-08-2008
Quote from: Ron Dough on 00:21:20, 28-08-2008
I'd strongly recommend this

The reviewer at Amazon seems to agree with you.


<double gulp>  Shocked
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« Reply #3357 on: 00:40:08, 28-08-2008 »
Humph in Wonderland from last Xmas Day.

Ron, does that jog your memory about a recording you were going to be making? No hurry! Wink
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« Reply #3358 on: 00:45:05, 28-08-2008 »
Quote from: Ron Dough on 00:21:20, 28-08-2008
I'd strongly recommend this as an additional, alternative view: obviously not as well recorded, but there's a good deal to be said for hearing the Sacra's final movement at the composer's recommended speed rather than one 40% slower.
Is that how much slower the Ondine disc is than the EMI?! I don't have the EMI, and I've never seen a score. Perhaps there's a tempo marking included in the Ondine booklet but I don't remember taking it in if so. Thanks for that, Ron.

I think I have the Sinfonia votiva on a Helios disc (with Roger Sessions? is that possible??) somewhere, but I'm not sure I've ever listened to it.
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« Reply #3359 on: 01:26:23, 28-08-2008 »
Yes, t: the Votiva (Boston/Ozawa) is coupled with Session's Concerto for Orchestra - both Boston centenary commissions. There was also a Panufnik/BBCSO live version on BBC Radio Legends.

Panufnik I (EMI,1967)           2:23/3:09/4:54/10:53
Storgårds (Ondine, 2007)      2:33/3:57/4:42/14:23

I don't have the score with me, but I'm pretty sure that it suggests that the 3 Visions and the Hymn should take roughly the same time, and that overall duration should be circa 22 mins. The Hymn is marked Andante sostenuto - Maestoso, by the way, not Lento or Grave.
Other recordings:

Panufnik II (Nonesuch, 1990)      splits 12:36/9:27 (no separate timings for the three Visions)
Kord (Accord, 2001)             2:15/3:09/5:00/10:45
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Schwarz (JVC/1996)             2:27/3:38/4:41/16:33 (literally grinds to a halt).  Angry
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