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« Reply #420 on: 23:46:32, 02-05-2007 »

I really can't recommend Alvin's work highly enough.  He is, in my view, one of the most important voices of American music alive today.  Anyone wanting an introduction might start w/ Evan's beautiful review here:  http://www.sequenza21.com/2005_12_25_s21archives.html ... about halfway down.  (It's still the most elegant, eloquent record review I've ever read.)

You are far, far too generous (and also need to learn to embed URLs  Wink )

But the disc I reviewed there is a great second Lucier record: Wind Shadows. I say "second" because I assume everyone already has I am Sitting in a Room, which is in the process of attaining its well-deserved place as a long-term classic of the second half of the twentieth century.

Incidentally, I have now listened to the Mode disc, and it's wonderful; the bagpipe piece is actually quite amazingly beautiful, and Silver Streetcar works about as well as can be expected.
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« Reply #421 on: 00:19:24, 03-05-2007 »

Messiaen's From the Canyons to the Stars from de Leeuw and Asko and Schonberg ensembles (interesting it's the first disc in a long while that I've been able to flummox itunes with).

regards, Tam
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« Reply #422 on: 10:38:12, 03-05-2007 »

I only bought the LP because it was old, cheap and looked in decent condition

I hope someone'll say that about me when I'm 64. Wink

Strangely enough, the cover is thick cardboard, with a mock veneer effect, and is in excellent condition. I hope my wood is in the same condition and as stiff when I'm 64.
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« Reply #423 on: 18:16:55, 03-05-2007 »

Strangely enough, the cover is thick cardboard, with a mock veneer effect, and is in excellent condition. I hope my wood is in the same condition and as stiff when I'm 64.

huh.


you said 'wood'.
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« Reply #424 on: 20:16:09, 03-05-2007 »

Mahler 4 again! With bugler-all vibrato again! Not Stuttgart but Amsterdam!

Concertgebouw Orchestra / Mengelberg, 1939. I believe Mengelberg and Mahler once shared a concert in which the first half consisted of Mahler 4 conducted by one of them and the second of Mahler 4 conducted by the other. I suppose if that means anything it means Mengelberg didn't do it the way Mahler did it.

The rubato is stupendous. The three-quaver upbeat figure in the first movement practically grinds to a standstill...

Anyone else know this box? From membran. 10CDs. €10. I call that silly.

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« Reply #425 on: 20:30:36, 03-05-2007 »

Oh my sainted aunt. The scherzo. Basic tempo goes like a bat out of hell (movement takes 8'17"), some unusually aggressive horn playing and very fine too. But the second trio section! (The one at figure 11 with the crossing violin glissandos and the clarinets playing the Ländler melody.) The warmth! The glowing violins! I wouldn't have thought I could have an experience like that with an inanimate object...

[Er, you OK Ollie? Wink]
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« Reply #426 on: 20:37:44, 03-05-2007 »

I have that set (very worth getting, especially at that comically cheap price). There certainly is some vibrato, just it is used very selectively, in a varied manner and with discretion (all things that were Mengelberg's trademark). There's a long section on Mengelberg's relationship with Mahler in Robert Philip's Performing Music in the Age of Recording. Philip thinks it is unlikely that Mahler ever actually heard Mengelberg conduct any of his works, because they only ever met in Amsterdam on occasions when Mengelberg would prepare the orchestra and Mahler would take over for the performance. There's been a lot of dispute about whether Mengelberg or Walter's performances were preferred by Mahler (and as to whether he preferred the Concertgebouw to the Vienna Philharmonic) - seems a pretty unanswerable question and perhaps not that important. But after that double performance you mention, Mahler wrote to Alma 'The only moments of such a journey when I feel really comfortable are the rehearsals. If only I had reached the stage at which conductors understood the style of my works! I could go for a stroll through Heiligenstadt instead.'

(Philip also believes that actually Mahler conducted both performances on that day, and that the idea of the double performance comes from some misremembered comments of Mahler recalled by Alma.)
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« Reply #427 on: 20:46:53, 03-05-2007 »

Yup, got it a few months ago. The transfers may leave something to be desired, but whoever selected the recordings knew what they were up to.
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« Reply #428 on: 23:24:35, 05-05-2007 »

Mahler 4! Norrington!

...oh, I've already raved about this one.

Cripes. What a first movement.
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« Reply #429 on: 23:33:08, 05-05-2007 »

I'm spending an evening in the further reaches of the spectral repertoire. After Clarens Baarlo/Klarenz Barlow/Clarence Barlow (there's one for Syd!)'s Im Januar am Nil (full report, edited in the course of a second listening, at http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=952.msg25738#msg25738 ), I've now also listened to Michael Levinas' Appels, which sounds more like a farmyard than any piece of music you've ever heard before, and am now in the middle of Friedrich Cerha's Spiegel V, which is holding my attention a bit less well* than the Levinas and certainly much less well than the amazing Barlow piece.

Next up is James Dillon's Zone, then I think that's enough for tonight.

*Except that someone turned the lights off near the end and the crickets started chattering (readers of the C21st Orchestra thread will know what I'm on about). Quite nice.
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« Reply #430 on: 23:36:05, 05-05-2007 »

I'm spending an evening in the further reaches of the spectral repertoire. After Clarens Baarlo/Klarenz Barlow/Clarence Barlow (there's one for Syd!)'s Im Januar am Nil (full report, edited in the course of a second listening, at http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=952.msg25738#msg25738 ), I've now also listened to Michael Levinas' Appels, which sounds more like a farmyard than any piece of music you've ever heard before, and am now in the middle of Friedrich Cerha's Spiegel V, which is holding my attention a bit less well than the Levinas and certainly much less well than the amazing Barlow piece.

Next up is James Dillon's Zone, then I think that's enough for tonight.

I have a lot of time for Zone (...de Azul) -what re ording do you have t_i_n?
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« Reply #431 on: 23:41:12, 05-05-2007 »

I have a lot of time for Zone (...de Azul) -what re ording do you have t_i_n?

Good question, biroc. Like the Barlow, it's on a couple of CDs put together for me by a friend who didn't bother to write in any performance details. I do rather wonder if he's dubbed some of the pieces from vinyl, from the sound of the recordings. There's also an odd 'jump' at the beginning of a couple of tracks, where I get the first couple of seconds of a piece, then silence, then it starts over again - don't know why this could be!?!
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« Reply #432 on: 23:44:07, 05-05-2007 »

I have a lot of time for Zone (...de Azul) -what re ording do you have t_i_n?

Good question, biroc. Like the Barlow, it's on a couple of CDs put together for me by a friend who didn't bother to write in any performance details. I do rather wonder if he's dubbed some of the pieces from vinyl, from the sound of the recordings. There's also an odd 'jump' at the beginning of a couple of tracks, where I get the first couple of seconds of a piece, then silence, then it starts over again - don't know why this could be!?!

Aha - yes, I didn't/don't think it's ever been commercially released...however, there is a version available from Peters Edition and one housed up at the Scottish Music Centre in Glasgow too...which I think are the same performance (ultimately a Radio 3 broadcast IIRC)...a nice little piece though.
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« Reply #433 on: 23:44:52, 05-05-2007 »

Really like the little I've heard of Barlow (disc on hatart and a piece on a computer music disc with some really great percussive sounds working up this groove that works).

Tonight its the Hillard ensemble singing some Pierre de la Rue.
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« Reply #434 on: 23:45:10, 05-05-2007 »

Friedrich Cerha's Spiegel V
Best heard, IMO, in the context of the entire Spiegel series, which functions more or less like a huge multi-movement piece. It isn't cooking on the front ring all through, but must have been quite startling in its time (1961).
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