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Author Topic: BBCSO Late programme this evening...  (Read 503 times)
Ron Dough
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« on: 17:47:52, 13-07-2007 »

Have just noticed that there's a little late extra on Radio3 tonight:

[Jazz Inspired
Friday 13 July 2007 23:00-23:30 (Radio 3)

The BBC Symphony Orchestra perform a jazz-inspired programme which combines Martin Butler's political fundraising Hootenanny which draws on American folk idioms, with two items written for Woody Herman.
Duration:
30 minutes

Playlist:
Butler: Hootenanny
Stravinsky: Ebony Concerto
Bernstein: Prelude, fugue and riffs for clarinet and jazz orchestra

Martin Robertson (clarinet)
BBC Symphony Orchestra
Martyn Brabbins, Pierre-Andre Valade (conductors)

Two of the works are pretty well-known, and certainly part of my much-loved core repertoire, but I've also known the Butler for several years now, ever since it was broadcast in a composer portrait a few years back, and for me it more than holds its own in such exalted company, definitely of its own time, but by no means a tough listen. I love it to pieces just as much as its two companion works tonight.

In the words of kleines c, from the other place, "I commend it to all on Radio 3".....


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« Reply #1 on: 18:22:23, 13-07-2007 »

Ooh, ooh, absolutely! I was at a talk Martin Butler gave about his music last year (think I started a discussion about it on the old R3 boards) when I think Chris Fox quite embarrassed Martin by the extent of his publicly-expressed enthusiasm for Hootenanny! I've never actually heard the piece entire, so I'll tune in after the Big Brother eviction show. Smiley

PS. Am I missing something?
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Martin Butler's political fundraising Hootenanny

PPS. The Bernstein title is one of those things that you can never quite take seriously again after you've tried to text someone about the piece, as I once did, and had your predictive text mechanism turn it into 'Prelude, Fugue and Sheep'.
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« Reply #2 on: 21:34:24, 13-07-2007 »

PPS. The Bernstein title is one of those things that you can never quite take seriously again after you've tried to text someone about the piece, as I once did, and had your predictive text mechanism turn it into 'Prelude, Fugue and Sheep'.

Personally I have quite enough trouble taking it seriously without the help of T9 software.  But then, I've never actually heard the thing, so perhaps I should just keep my big, opinionated, snobby mouth closed.
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« Reply #3 on: 22:47:56, 13-07-2007 »

PPS. The Bernstein title is one of those things that you can never quite take seriously again after you've tried to text someone about the piece, as I once did, and had your predictive text mechanism turn it into 'Prelude, Fugue and Sheep'.

Personally I have quite enough trouble taking it seriously without the help of T9 software.  But then, I've never actually heard the thing, so perhaps I should just keep my big, opinionated, snobby mouth closed.

Actually, I'm going to step gently out onto the limb and say that it's actually a better piece than the Stravinsky, for my ears.

And, um, _yes_, Evan, you should actually listen to a piece b/f voicing an opinion about it.  Perhaps you've been spending too much time on the American versions of these boards, in which such behavior is the norm.
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« Reply #4 on: 22:51:06, 13-07-2007 »

Thanks for the 'heads up', Ron. Ten minutes to go, everyone.
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« Reply #5 on: 00:03:50, 14-07-2007 »

Two out of three excellent performances; but there's a hopping mad Ron here, feeling that the third work (actually the Martin Butler, the first in the programme) was given a pretty half-hearted performance, rhythmically sloppy and generally showing signs of being little more than a cursory read-through, with nary a sign of the bounce and élan I know this work to have. Just to make sure, I've been into the Dough archive box to find my aircheck of the previous radio performance to listen to, to ensure that I've not been labouring under some disillusion about the piece. Not a bit of it, the hair's standing up on the back of my neck again; with a committed performance the piece positively crackles.

It does seem very sad to me that the Beeb can allow itself to represent a living composer who's not heard all that frequently on its wavelengths so shabbily. Is there no quality control any more? Was nobody aware that it was a somewhat subfusc performance, and as such might seriously misrepresent the composer's work?

<bangs head against brick wall emoticon>
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« Reply #6 on: 01:04:14, 14-07-2007 »

<bangs head against brick wall emoticon>

Ron,
Can't find a wall. Will these do?

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« Reply #7 on: 01:09:12, 14-07-2007 »

PPS. The Bernstein title is one of those things that you can never quite take seriously again after you've tried to text someone about the piece, as I once did, and had your predictive text mechanism turn it into 'Prelude, Fugue and Sheep'.

Personally I have quite enough trouble taking it seriously without the help of T9 software.  But then, I've never actually heard the thing, so perhaps I should just keep my big, opinionated, snobby mouth closed.

Actually, I'm going to step gently out onto the limb and say that it's actually a better piece than the Stravinsky, for my ears.

And, um, _yes_, Evan, you should actually listen to a piece b/f voicing an opinion about it.  Perhaps you've been spending too much time on the American versions of these boards, in which such behavior is the norm.

Well, I did say that I couldn't take the title seriously, but still.  If it helps I don't much care for the Stravinsky piece either.

(slinks away to NMBx)
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« Reply #8 on: 01:26:16, 14-07-2007 »

Yes, the Butler was unfortunately a pretty deficient performance for the reasons that Ron gave. However I didn't feel that the other pieces were that much better, Martin Robertson aside (what a clarinet sound !). Tighter, but some ill-advised tempi and wayward balance.
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« Reply #9 on: 12:02:49, 14-07-2007 »


PS. Am I missing something?
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Martin Butler's political fundraising Hootenanny



Darn, am away so missed all this, and the broadcast.  Angry  But from what Ron says, perhaps it's just as well.
Tinners, IIRC ( Wink), the piece's title is taken from that of leftist political fundraising events common in the folk movement in the US during the thirties and forties. So the Beeb copywriters simply seem to have got themselves muddled.
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« Reply #10 on: 12:25:16, 14-07-2007 »

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Ah! I had it down as a typist mis-hearing it dictated down the phone:

"....polyphonally fond, racing Hootenanny"

"....pluck it fully, thunder-raising Hootenanny"

Lovely piece anyway. It was the first time I'd heard it. Exciting to know there are bouncier and better performances out there waiting to be heard.
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« Reply #11 on: 12:32:00, 14-07-2007 »

George,  Cheesy
There's a pretty good recording by Orkest de Volharding, who commissioned and first performed the piece. It's on Challenge 70057.

Oh, and also IIRC, the piece has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with jazz.  Huh
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« Reply #12 on: 14:18:38, 14-07-2007 »

There's a pretty good recording by Orkest de Volharding, who commissioned and first performed the piece. Can't remember the label name, but it's their own.

Thanks, Martle. Ah, here we are: http://www.volharding.com/?id=24  Challenge Records CHR70057  Also includes pieces by Steve Martland, Gordon McPherson (the CD title piece Western Darlings) and Gerald Barry. Now to track a copy down.

Oh, and also IIRC, the piece has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with jazz.  Huh

The same could possibly be said of the Ebony Concerto Wink, not that that has ever stopped me loving it dearly.
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