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« Reply #240 on: 19:43:08, 27-07-2007 » |
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I see that CD Review next Saturday (4th August) has got an extended 80-minute slot on recent Mahler releases - Jansons, Zinman, Dudamel and Haitink, plus Abbado's DVD of No.6. I expect the Haitink is the CSO 3rd, although I see that there's a No.4 from RCO Live coming very soon. I was rather impressed by the RCO Jansons 1, although it's not as impressive as Zinman's. Has anyone heard Dudamel's 5th at all?
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Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency
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« Reply #241 on: 19:51:11, 27-07-2007 » |
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Yes and it's quite astonishing playing. Haven't completely made up my mind about all aspects of it yet but when I do you can read about it you-know-where...  |
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« Reply #242 on: 11:43:32, 28-07-2007 » |
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Good though the Jansons 1st was, I think his earlier recording in Oslo outshines it (I suspect this in part is due to the fact that it was made towards the end of 20 year relationship with the orchestra and his partnership with the Concertgebouw has not quite reached that stage yet).
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Il Grande Inquisitor
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« Reply #243 on: 11:49:24, 28-07-2007 » |
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I assume the discussion will be about Zinman's Mahler 2, although I see MDT and Crotchet have No.3 listed due for release on 13th August - HMV have it listed for 10th October!
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« Reply #244 on: 21:53:19, 28-07-2007 » |
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I have a treasured, if not strange, method of listening to his 4th symphony. I set myself up in the comfy chair, listen to one or two movements before I doze off, then re-emerge at the start of the 4th movement. There is lucidity in 'that' Sunday afternoon doze by the window that brings out so much in many pieces of music. A pianist friend was horrified to hear that part of my appreciation of music involves semi-consciousness! I emphasise the semi.
Aside - I am new here and wonder what affiliation this site has with the BBC?
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #245 on: 22:03:06, 28-07-2007 » |
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Welcome, Graham, glad to see that you followed Bryn's link. This is an independent site, set up for us by Michael Hodges when the official Beeb site underwent a radical reorganisation earlier this year, so it has no affiliation with the BBC. Hopefully you'll find things a little more relaxed and vitriolic than 'The other Place.'
Ron
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« Reply #246 on: 22:13:02, 28-07-2007 » |
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There is lucidity in 'that' Sunday afternoon doze by the window that brings out so much in many pieces of music. A pianist friend was horrified to hear that part of my appreciation of music involves semi-consciousness! I emphasise the semi. Welcome, graham! Oddly enough semi-consciousness was my way into Bruckner. A period of dozing to the Giulini recording of the 9th. Never completely unconscious of course but not quite being there completely was somehow my way in to the Brucknerian (and, ahem, Giulinian) time scale. Fortunately I've since been able to find my way in fully conscious. |
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« Reply #247 on: 22:26:20, 28-07-2007 » |
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Splendid. I look forward to the many distractions this site has to offer. On the semi-consciousness theme, I have just listened to Bach's Matthew Passion (with Emma Kirkby), over and beyond dinner. I am convinced Bach is leading us through a meditation on the work. I am not religious but I keeping finding myself profoundly moved, when not aware that I was actively listening to the piece. I am sure this has been the subject of a lot of discussion here and elsewhere, so I'll take a back seat for a while.
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« Reply #248 on: 22:40:36, 28-07-2007 » |
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I'll take a back seat for a while.
Graham Don't. Wade in with both feet. It's too big a forum to absorb easily, so just post at will. All the rest of us do. Well, with exceptions. And the more the merrier.  |
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« Reply #249 on: 22:45:36, 28-07-2007 » |
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Absolutely, just scan around, and if you find a thread that interests you, even if it's a while since it's been added to, jump in. There are some scarily intellectual brains and serious performers here, but an open mind and enthusiasm are the only real requirements, and a goodly portion of the site is devoted to fun and humour as well...
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« Reply #250 on: 22:52:16, 28-07-2007 » |
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« Reply #251 on: 23:16:38, 28-07-2007 » |
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btw, concerning Mahler ...
I got hold of Abbado's Berlin recording of Mahler 6 recently (a long overdue purchase) - magnificently played and recorded. And yet it left me completely unmoved. Anyone else experienced this? Whereas I find both Mackerras and Boulez absolutely thrilling performances. I suspect I ought to get hold of the Barbirolli Berlin performance that Ollie's raved about.
I'm afraid I had the same experience. The Abbado has simply astonishing playing but each time I've heard it I've got to the end and realised it was basically just the playing that was astonishing me. Whereas the live Barbirolli has flubs galore (and occasionally takes some curious liberties - he whips up the tempo in the middle of the slow movement to an extent I'm amazed he gets away with, the hammer is a jarring metallic clang in direct contravention of Mahler's request but is somehow for me spot on)... but is a horribly searing experience in the best possible way. In fact I think I might put it on now. The live Berlin Rattle one in the Die Zeit series is great too. You know, the one with the hair. I'm very fond of the Kondrashin too but then, I would be. |
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« Reply #252 on: 23:55:47, 28-07-2007 » |
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I have but you have to be careful with those - just having one voice to a part isn't necessarily the magic spell, alas, even if Sigiswald Kuijken is at the helm!
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« Reply #253 on: 18:25:24, 29-07-2007 » |
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Opi,
Check your PMs. It might be worth it!
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« Reply #254 on: 18:32:01, 29-07-2007 » |
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I'm very fond of the Kondrashin too but then, I would be.
Ollie, you weren't playing in it, were you? Hm. I was 7 at the time, on the other side of the planet and hadn't knowingly heard a note of Mahler, so no. The 'I would be' was just because I'm a bit of a Kondrashin fan... |
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