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Author Topic: Performing Britten  (Read 3555 times)
Mary Chambers
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« Reply #45 on: 09:42:41, 04-04-2007 »

I didn't appreciate Turn of the Screw immediately, but now it's one of my favourites, so you may well find persistence pays off - or not, as you say Smiley I find the subject interesting, so I listened over and over to the Britten recording, and eventually it entered my consciousness. As with most Britten, the more you listen the more you hear. However, I still haven't "got" Owen Wingrave!

The most remarkable performance on the Britten recording seems to me to be David Hemmings's Miles. He's the only Miles I've ever heard who can actually act with his voice - listen to his tremulous "I'm here", or his "I am bad, aren't I?". Since the relationship between Miles and the other characters is central to the opera, this makes all the difference.

I have a DVD of the Mireille Delunsch T of S - very good, I think. Fascinating production, too - though it may be one that Basil Coleman hated Smiley

Britten and Basil Coleman in their youth:

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« Reply #46 on: 11:32:11, 04-04-2007 »

I know that in an age of instant gratification,where Stevie Wonder is the greatest songwriter of the twentieth century and Robbie Wiliams the greatest musician of the millennium, the idea s dismissed as 'elitist' but I do think that it is no bad thing if you have to struggle and listen repeatedly to a piece of music before it grows on you.The works I have had to dothis with,are usually the ones that haunt me endlessly.

I always found this with Tippett's works, most of which I was fortunate enough to hear the premieres from the '60s onwards,and I remember some of Britten's took a while.The exception was 'Death in Venice' which simply swept me away at first hearing.I thought it was utterly 'right' from start to finish.
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« Reply #47 on: 18:49:24, 08-04-2007 »

Yet another thought-provoking programme today, with Peter Hall on Midsummer Night's Dream. Thank goodness his marvellous production is preserved on DVD - a real classic that Britten would certainly have approved of. (Pears saw it, and said he wished Britten could have lived to see it.)

The comments that really made me think were the ones about the Pyramus and Thisbe scene, which Hall didn't really approve of - he didn't think it was appropriate to parody Italian opera. It's always seemed perfectly logical to me that he should parody opera in the opera, as an exact parallel to Shakespeare's parody of drama in the drama. I suppose the fact that it's Italian opera casts a bit of doubt on it, but then he could hardly have parodied English opera in 1960, there being so little of it, and  what there was so little known. (If Thomas Ades ever does his version, he could parody Britten!). Hall did say that he enjoyed it and was glad it sent the audience away happy, but would have preferred Britten to use folksong. I can't see how that would work - perhaps someone else can.


The comment of Peter Hall's - not made on this programme - in connection with opera production that always sticks in my mind is his assertion that the setting should match the music. Would that other directors/designers followed this. I sometimes wonder if some of them listen to the music at all.

The announcement after the programme said the recording used was "original cast". No, it wasn't, though it was Britten's recording. The first Tytania was Jennifer Vyvyan, not Elizabeth Harwood, and Pears never sang Lysander on stage. Several of the others are different, too.
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« Reply #48 on: 17:44:41, 10-04-2007 »

 #47       This most refreshing series concludes with "Owen Wingrave", next Sunday, and has convincingly shown Radio 3 at its best.

All the contributors understood the work on-hand and each programe left me enlightened and stimulated to further enquiry.

Indeed, I've returned to a recording of each opera, either on CD or DVD and, as I write, my off-air video of the 1971 production of "Owen Wingrave" is being transferred to to DVD.   I made this recording in 1993 and note that it also includes a"Live" Royal Albert Hall performance of the "War Requiem" with the LSO, conducted by Mstislav Rostropovich; Makvala Kasrashvili, Anthony Rolfe Johnson  Bryn Terfel as soloists.

Fortuitously, Jack Clayton's film version of "The Innocents" (1962) and Peter Ustinov's adaptation of Herman Melville's novel, "Billy Budd" (1962), Region 1, are now on DVD to complement the Britten adaptations.   Both films have considerable merit.

"A Midsummer Night's Dream" had an ideal contributor in Sir Peter Hall, as along with BB during the renaissance of the 60's, he liberated the play, at the RSC, from a standard prettiness; the "voice-beautiful" and statuesque posturing which remained as a hangover from a Victorian/Edwardian age.   Pretty stage pictures, usually offset by Mendelssohn's delightful score, rounded-off with the mechanicals enactment of the lamentable tale of "Pyramus & Thisbe" to please us groundlings.   

Hall, at Stratford, succeeded in mining the text for its manifold meanings, rather than vocalising; as Britten astonished us, at Aldeburgh, by tipping the balance in favour of a dark and complex musical subtext.  It still amazes after repeated hearings.   Sometimes downright wicked and delicious!   The combination of Britten/Hall, in "The Dream" had to wait until later at Glyndebourne.

In 1970, Peter Brook capitalised by using a circus setting, against a dazzling white cyclorama setting and bright lighting when magic and transformation became the key elements, as opposed to the dark and shady settings of the dream.

A scholarly treatise examining these key productions alongside Britten's opera is long overdue.

Didn't Sir Peter continue at Glyndebourne, in the 70's, by freeing "Cosi fan Tutte" - usually portayed as a well-sung but farcical romp - from neglect by focussing attention on human frailty, rather than the "Charley's Aunt" patter of disguise?

Like Mary Chambers, I too, was tantalised by Hall's comments in which he made his preference for, say, folk music in the "Pyramus & Thisbe" sequence.     I doubt whether Britten would have compromised as Philip Brett's introductory notes, in the Decca CD recording, indicate Britten's mischievous enjoyment in his parody of 19th century Italian opera.   However, I'd dearly like to know what Sir Peter meant here, besides the obvious  - he may have envisaged something more exquisite in the parody.  Intriguing.

Best of all, I relished Hall's uneqivocal view that the Britten "Dream" missed lots of Shakespeare but, instead, we got lots of Britten in its place.     I'll happily settle for that.

Bws,        Stanley
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« Reply #49 on: 18:51:50, 10-04-2007 »

the Pyramus and Thisbe scene, which Hall didn't really approve of - he didn't think it was appropriate to parody Italian opera. It's always seemed perfectly logical to me that he should parody opera in the opera, as an exact parallel to Shakespeare's parody of drama in the drama. I suppose the fact that it's Italian opera casts a bit of doubt on it, but then he could hardly have parodied English opera in 1960, there being so little of it, and  what there was so little known.
Hm. I've never had the impression that it's particularly Italian opera getting a serve - he certainly finds time for a Schoenberg parody in Wall's music for example.

There was a much-acclaimed Baz Luhrmann production of MND in Melbourne some years ago. It was set in India with It Ain't Half Hot Mum-type rude mechanicals. Not to everyone's taste though. I believe Gerald English had a problem with the fact that someone sings "'from Athens is his house remote seven leagues'. And then where are we? Bloody India!".
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« Reply #50 on: 19:39:38, 10-04-2007 »

Didn't the Baz Luhrmann production win the Critics' Prize at the Edinburgh Festival? Not that that would have impressed Britten. I didn't see it myself.

I've always thought it was mainly Donizetti and perhaps Bellini who were being parodied. I don't think it's a myth that Pears (as Flute/Thisby) did a notable impression of Joan Sutherland, who the year before had caused a bit of a sensation in London with her Lucia di Lammermoor - surely no coincidence?

Stanley/Richard Sheridan: I don't think the Owen Wingrave programme is the final one, is it? I'm sure we get Death in Venice as well.
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« Reply #51 on: 22:18:11, 10-04-2007 »

 #50    Thank you, Mary.       Death in Venice.       Of course, of course!    A most welcome surprise, nevertheless.   Must be 30+ years since I first saw it at Covent Garden.      Bws,     Stanley
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« Reply #52 on: 22:36:25, 10-04-2007 »

I've always thought it was mainly Donizetti and perhaps Bellini who were being parodied. I don't think it's a myth that Pears (as Flute/Thisby) did a notable impression of Joan Sutherland, who the year before had caused a bit of a sensation in London with her Lucia di Lammermoor - surely no coincidence?
After Pyramus' death 'Thisby' has a little Mad Scene with solo flute - no, that's certainly no coincidence. But Wall's little solos are in Sprechstimme, and I vaguely remember them being 12-note writing as far as the voice is concerned.

Is anyone who knows the score a little better than I do and who isn't listening to a Graupner overture able to supply other parody targets in that scene?
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« Reply #53 on: 22:52:20, 10-04-2007 »

The announcement after the programme said the recording used was "original cast". No, it wasn't, though it was Britten's recording. The first Tytania was Jennifer Vyvyan, not Elizabeth Harwood, and Pears never sang Lysander on stage. Several of the others are different, too.

The lovely April Cantelo was Helena - one of the very best sopranos of her generation. Sadly, the only recording she appears on of Britten's is Albert Herring.
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« Reply #54 on: 23:32:30, 10-04-2007 »

I had always thought it was mostly Donizetti, and Lucia in particular, but must have another listen to 'Wall'. That one hadn't occurred to me before. 'Pyramus' soars into something a bit Puccini-like perhaps when he gets a bit carried away with 'O, sweet, O lovely wall'?

I suppose the objection (which I don't really share) might be that Britten invites us to laugh 'at' Italian opera whereas in Shakespeare we're not so much laughing 'at' theatre but sharing in the excitement of Bottom et al discovering and inventing 'theatre' and theatrical conventions for themselves. I'm always 100% on their side anyway against the irritating jokey interventions from the court. I always want to 'Shush' them all fiercely, even if I am usually in love with Helena at that point.   



 
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« Reply #55 on: 10:09:34, 11-04-2007 »

A clue to Britten's intentions in the Pyramus scene is that he writes all the musical directions in Italian, whereas in the rest of the score he writes them in English. Wall's entry, however, is marked Sprechstimme (and notated as such, with crosses instead of note-heads) in my vocal score.

According to Mervyn Cooke, Britten actually parodies himself in the structure of the Pyramus play. I can't say I've worked this out.
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« Reply #56 on: 10:43:08, 11-04-2007 »

Sad to see that Colin Graham, an important director of many Britten operas, died on Friday last week. Another link gone with that generation centred on Britten, Aldeburgh, the English Opera Group, English Music Theatre and the founding years of English National Opera.   

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/obituaries/article2439498.ece

http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,2053228,00.html
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« Reply #57 on: 11:37:42, 15-04-2007 »

Yes, I felt a pang when I heard of Colin Graham's death. Sad to see the old links breaking.

Owen Wingrave this afternoon, with Steuart Bedford. I'm hoping to learn something. John Shirley-Quirk on Death in Venice next week, which should be interesting, though I was vaguely expecting Steuart Bedford for that.
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« Reply #58 on: 12:16:08, 15-04-2007 »

Still, if you had to have those two people for those two pieces I think they've got it the right way round. Given how central Shirley-Quirk is to Death in Venice as an auditory and dramatic experience...
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« Reply #59 on: 12:47:02, 16-04-2007 »

Thanks for the reminder, Mary. I nearly missed it.

As with all the programmes in this series I learnt a lot from it (and particularly loved Stuart Bedford's Peter Pears story, 'daggers...'  Cheesy) but no conversion for me I'm afraid. Owen Wingrave remains the one Britten opera that I have a deaf spot for. It does seems to be guilty uncomfortably often of many of the things that Britten-detractors accuse him of doing all the time. An exhibit for the prosecution rather than the defence I fear.

I can't really even see it, as Bedford was claiming, as a great pacifist opera. It's certainly about a pacifist but it doesn't really present the case for pacifism as such, either emotionally or intellectually. The central message seems more to be a warning that it may not go down too well with the family. And, I'm sure I'm being very dense here (but not deliberately so) but I still don't really 'get' the import of the ghost story. What is it that is supposed to have killed Owen? The knowledge of the disapproval of his ancestors on top of the blow of being disinherited? Despair at his loss of the (not very lovable) Kate? But that doesn't require ghosts and seems a bit feeble. I can't really make it stack up.

Great singing from Britten's hand-picked cast though.
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