The Radio 3 Boards Forum from myforum365.com
08:33:02, 01-12-2008 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Whilst we happily welcome all genuine applications to our forum, there may be times when we need to suspend registration temporarily, for example when suffering attacks of spam.
 If you want to join us but find that the temporary suspension has been activated, please try again later.
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  

Pages: 1 ... 4 5 [6]
  Print  
Author Topic: Performing Britten  (Read 3555 times)
smittims
****
Posts: 258


« Reply #75 on: 10:34:38, 23-04-2007 »

I thought the programme was good,as it told us exactly what Britten had said to John Shirley-Quirk about singing certain passages. It also cleared up a point made many years ago,about whether Britten's music would survive after the retirement of the musicians it was written specifically for .The answer is that the scores are written so clearly that faithful interpreation is still  quite possible after oral transmisison has become extinct. I remember Britten in an interview stressing that his promary aim was always to say what he intended in his music as clearly as possible.

I have admired John Shirley-Quirk's singing ever since I first heard it on the Saga LP  of 'Songs of Travel'. I once had the great thrill of singing in the chorus with him as soloist in 'Sea Drift' and 'Belshazzar's Feast'.

Logged
BobbyZ
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 992



« Reply #76 on: 11:25:13, 07-05-2007 »

In case anyone who may be interested hasn't noticed, Ian Bostridge is on Front Row on Radio 4 this evening ( 7th ) talking about preparing for a new production of Death in Venice.
Logged

Dreams, schemes and themes
Stanley Stewart
*****
Posts: 1090


Well...it was 1935


« Reply #77 on: 12:27:05, 07-05-2007 »

# 76           Thanks for the tip, BobbyZ.      I've been poised to respond to "Death in Venice" as the final programme in a first rate series, for the past two weeks,  but the combination of fine weather; gardening and exterior painting chores;  together with a few Britten reference books, has been a most relaxing distraction and tonight's discusion on Front Row will round-off the Bank Holiday very well, thank you.

Bws,    Stanley
Logged
Mary Chambers
*****
Gender: Female
Posts: 2589



« Reply #78 on: 13:07:53, 07-05-2007 »

Yes, many thanks, BobbyZ. I hadn't noticed it, so I'm grateful. Should be fascinating (I hope).
Logged
Mary Chambers
*****
Gender: Female
Posts: 2589



« Reply #79 on: 16:28:51, 07-05-2007 »

Have you seen the Britten/Pears Schubert on Youtube? More Britten Performing than Performing Britten, but its natural audience may be here. I posted the link in the Coffee Bar, but here it is again -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6dWmki5CDA

There are three more.
Logged
Stanley Stewart
*****
Posts: 1090


Well...it was 1935


« Reply #80 on: 17:26:31, 07-05-2007 »

 # 79        Thank you, Mary.    I will pursue with much interest.

Must also pursue my off-air video of the Pears/Britten "Winterreise" in 1961 and it must be due for digital remastering by now.

      This very afternoon, I've been watching a December 2002, BBC4 off-air video, of the 3 Beethoven Sonatas for Cello and Piano; Op 5, Nos 1 & 2; Op 102, No 2 and Op 69;  joyously performed by Mstislav Rostropovich and Sviatoslav Richter at the Edinburgh Festival in 1964.   Makes me reel when told that they had to be given "permission" to leave the USSR!   Pristine remastering and the director trusted his audience rather than fidgeting with too frequent camera angles; my attention span totally absorbed by the quality of the performances.   This was a two part programme in the Legends series which I shall now transfer to DVD as I don't think that it ever got a commercial release.

Bws,     Stanley
Logged
Mary Chambers
*****
Gender: Female
Posts: 2589



« Reply #81 on: 10:05:24, 09-05-2007 »

I enjoyed the Ian Bostridge programme, though I still can't imagine him as Aschenbach (or Ashenback as Mark Lawson insisted on pronouncing it, in pure English). Interesting to hear how nervous he was about it. Both he and Deborah Warner seemed to have real understanding of the work, which gives me hope for the production. I was relieved to hear that he thought himself too young for the part, but he seemed to think it looking young that mattered - I think it's life experience that's important here.
Logged
Stanley Stewart
*****
Posts: 1090


Well...it was 1935


« Reply #82 on: 21:25:09, 10-05-2007 »

Yes, I, too, enjoyed the Front Row coverage of the ENO rehearsals for "Death in Venice", although I still have reservations about its intimacy being swamped in the cavernous space of The Coliseum.  Also intrigued to know whether Ian Bostridge has the stage presence to dominate such a large theatre.

Peter Pears, at Covent Garden in October 1973, made it all look so effortless but he always seemed to have a natural assurance, together with a sense of stillness, along with an imposing presence.  A mesmeric quality which gave him flexibility to command or scale down to intimacy at will.    I recall one of his final recitals at The Wigmore Hall when he returned, unaccompanied, for an encore and sang "I wonder as I wander" with an exquisite, quiet intensity.  Sheer magic.

Like Mary Chambers, I was also surprised when John Shirley Quirk told us, in "Performing Britten" that he hadn't ever heard the recording of "Death in Venice" until an extract was played for the broadcast.   Rehearsals for the stage production, in particular, may have been intensive and possibly deeply personal as he was required to delineate a series of vignettes and I warmed to his shrewd judgement when he decided to portray the barber, by simply hunching his shoulders.   No extraneous fussing; a simple brush-stroke.   JSQ also spoke about regularly remaining in the wings to watch a fellow artist as Aschenbach - what an accolade.   By and large, the run of performances may have become a uniquely private experience which a subsequent recording could have nullified.

I was glad to return to the CD recording and widened the experience by viewing the DVD of Tony Palmer's film "A Time There Was" and all this coincided with the sad news of the deaths of Mstislav Rostropovich and director Colin Graham - stalwarts at Aldeburgh.  So poignant to see them together at Britten's funeral in 1976.   All this prompted me to revisit an off-air video of the two part "Legends" series - see # 80 above -   as well as Mm Vishnevskaya's biography, "Galina".  Vivid memories of her recitals at St John's, Smith Square; her "Tosca" at Covent Garden; and particularly her Lady Macbeth for Scottish Opera.  A tendency to be squally but every moment was a living experience, including her rapport with conductor Alexander Gibson.      Indeed, a time there was.

John Shirley Quirk completed his comments in "Performing Britten" by speaking about the Britten/Pears partnership as "The miracle of joint musicality"; perhaps he will also permit my indulgence by extending his generosity to the others mentioned above.

Logged
Mary Chambers
*****
Gender: Female
Posts: 2589



« Reply #83 on: 10:14:03, 11-05-2007 »

Yes, I, too, enjoyed the Front Row coverage of the ENO rehearsals for "Death in Venice", although I still have reservations about its intimacy being swamped in the cavernous space of The Coliseum.  Also intrigued to know whether Ian Bostridge has the stage presence to dominate such a large theatre.

Peter Pears, at Covent Garden in October 1973, made it all look so effortless but he always seemed to have a natural assurance, together with a sense of stillness, along with an imposing presence.  A mesmeric quality which gave him flexibility to command or scale down to intimacy at will.   

Thank you so much for that wonderful post, Stanley. I share your reservations, but I first saw Death in Venice in a theatre even larger than the Coliseum, the Liverpool Empire, and I was bowled over by it. Admittedly I was in the stalls, not miles from the stage. It was Anthony Rolfe Johnson. I was studying singing at the time, and I remember being just a little distracted from the opera by the perfection of his placing of consonants, something that always strikes me with Pears as well. I didn't see Pears in DinV - I was too restricted by my small children at the time - but your description of him strikes me as absolutely right. It reminded me a little of Menuhin's succinct comment: "Ben was all nerve and movement, Peter was deep calm."
Logged
MrYorick
Guest
« Reply #84 on: 12:28:40, 11-05-2007 »

I'm intrigued...  What does that mean exactly, placing the consonants perfectly?  Where do you place them? Or how?  Huh
Logged
Mary Chambers
*****
Gender: Female
Posts: 2589



« Reply #85 on: 15:11:08, 11-05-2007 »

Oh dear, that is so hard to answer! A consonant can't actually be sung, but has to be fitted in. It's something to do with placing the consonant on precisely the right bit of the beat, so that it doesn't distort the words or the flow of the music, and yet is still perfectly clear, though not obtrusive. Not simple at all, but it has to sound natural. I have been known to go into a state of rapture over a good consonant!

If there is more than one consonant it is still more difficult. Britten recounted a story about a performance (or perhaps a rehearsal) of his Abraham and Isaac where Kathleen Ferrier missed her entry. She explained that she had become so fascinated by Pears's skilful elision of l and m in "Farewell, my dear son" that she simply forgot to come in. "I really must practise that, I could never do it so well."



Quick edit to add that in a choir, of course, everybody's consonants have to be exactly together. As a result all choir directors are totally obsessed with them.
« Last Edit: 15:19:59, 11-05-2007 by Mary Chambers » Logged
MrYorick
Guest
« Reply #86 on: 16:50:07, 13-05-2007 »

Aha... 
I've been singing in an amateur choir for just a few years, and we've had hours of fun trying to get the end -t's together, especially when they don't come on the beat  Roll Eyes.  So I know what you mean now... (I thought at first maybe it had something to do with the placing of consonants in certain areas of the head.)  But I never really noticed well or badly placed consonants in a soloist...  I'll try to take notice of that in the future.

I must say, I remember being amused and impressed by Pears, when he sings in Grimes: "there is no stone, in earth's thickness, to make a home", by the way he so casually pronounces the "thsth" - a combination of consonants that seems quite impossible for me.  Maybe this is an example too of well placed consonants?

(By the way, I must thank you, Mary Chambers, for the book tip you gave me on this thread.  I found 'The Operas of B.B.' in our university library, and next to them were the selected diaries and letters - they've been a thrilling read so far!)
Logged
David_Underdown
****
Gender: Male
Posts: 346



« Reply #87 on: 17:25:51, 16-05-2007 »

Oh dear, that is so hard to answer! A consonant can't actually be sung, but has to be fitted in.

Well voiced consonants do have somethign of a natural pitch, which sometimes has to be overcome - v and b for example are relatively low sounding, so can be difficult to sing if in a high tessitura for the voice concerned.  (probably haven't explained myself very well, but hopefully people will get the drift of what I mean)
Logged

--
David
Pages: 1 ... 4 5 [6]
  Print  
 
Jump to: