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Author Topic: The Thomas Ades Hoax  (Read 4119 times)
George Garnett
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« Reply #105 on: 19:37:25, 01-04-2007 »

No-one should write about the USSR as if it was a genuinely socialist society.

I very much doubt that anyone does, do they? It is generally accepted, I would have thought, that the true socialist phase in Russia lasted, what, two or three years at most?

The big and deadly serious question about Marxism, IMHO, is whether that collapse into a new type of tyranny is inevitable or whether it is just awkward coincidence that, every time it has been tried so far, a couple of years is the most you get before it all turns brutally sour. Do 'the inexorable processes of history' move on to the next 'inevitable' phase of historical development into tyranny (for those who did all the 'struggling' and 'heroic sacrificing', rather a short-lived prize really). Or is it just that the conditions weren't quite right this time. But next time.....it'll be different. One more big push and we will be there and history will at last come to a benevolent stop.  

For those of us who like to think of ourselves as socialists but not Marxists it's the cruel double illusion of inevitability and sustainability, contrary to all the evidence, after just one more revolutionary struggle......that sticks in the craw.

Um, I should perhaps just add that I don't blame either Thomas Ades or Joyce Hatto for any of this.
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« Reply #106 on: 19:42:42, 01-04-2007 »

One of the reasons George's very important question is not easy to answer is because socialist revolution has hardly ever happened in a developed industrial country, as Marx said it would. Two exceptions would be Hungary and Bavaria in 1919, but both revolutions were quickly toppled with the assistance of outside forces. Russia in 1917 was still not a fully industrialised nation, which led to the revolution dividing the proletariat from the peasants in the bitter civil war. In most of Eastern Europe after 1945 something calling itself 'communism' was imposed by force by Stalin's forces, so cannot be seen as any sort of popular proletarian revolution. In the rest of the world, almost invariably 'communism' took place in pre-industrial societies.
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