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Author Topic: A generation of smilingly bland performers?  (Read 1084 times)
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« on: 09:10:49, 27-02-2007 »

I don't mind being branded a grumpy old man but I do find many of today's younger performers to be uninteresting to listen to. Superbly gifted and proficient they may be in  pouring out a glorious stream of well-modulated tone, but so often I find this falls short of giving the music any real life

Thomas Hampson,for instance ,Barbara Bonney or Joshua Bell.All seem to have a sort of worldwide,united nations ,American Express unfailingly reliable homogenous wholesomeness,but when it comes to expressing emotional depth or fragility,they just seem to glide over it all.

When I compare Hampson with say ., Tom Allen,who seems at the point of mental and physical disintegration sometimes when expressing suffering, I feel it's  a lesson in what music is all about.
 
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« Reply #1 on: 09:43:34, 27-02-2007 »

May be it was like that all the time. People who know less take gloss for depth. However, the best are still know. May be in our time celebrity sindrome and media publicity makes it harder for new names to come up. Names that you mention are definately talanted and promoted by the industry.
Can people write names of conductors of our time that they think are very good or equal to say Karayn? Or at least who they think is very good. Do people like Gergiev? I only heard recordings. I thought Temirkanov was good, but I am not sure if he is great.
May be we should not do things like that (comparing people), everyone is different. We should be kinder.
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« Reply #2 on: 10:01:30, 27-02-2007 »

I find there are very few performers today who vary their tone or style of playing depending on the work they play.  For example, Mutter sounds like a solid German whether she is playing Brahms, Franck, or Faure, and yet the German, Belgian, and French violin schools are all so different!

I agree that Bell sounds like a production line violinist.  Even Vengerov is taking less and less care about capturing some of the heritage behind a work.....

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« Reply #3 on: 11:55:46, 27-02-2007 »

I'm inclined to agree, but perhaps it takes time to sort out the ones with individualty? There were probably always people who were bland, but we no longer hear of them, or won't eventually. Robert Tear perhaps is in this category, and I'm sure there are plenty of others. Of the current crop (I'm best on singers) Andrew Kennedy seems to me to sing almost anything extremely well, but when I saw him live there was not a lot there but the near-faultlessness. Of course he is still very young - I don't think the hyping of the young helps either. I think Mark Padmore perhaps has the most character, and is not at all bland live.

The main problem seems to me to be that technical ability is now the main thing, very often at the expense of individuality and insight. I think this is fostered by the fact that recording is now for many (most?) more important than concert work, so any imperfections are there to be picked over for ever - and perfection/imperfection becomes the main criterion of judgement. Globalisation also irons out the differences that make for a true artist. You have to have a style that fits in anywhere.

It's just the same in ballet. Where are the Fonteyns now? She wouldn't stand a chance today - too many faults. I suspect painting and sculpture fare better. Why is that, I wonder?
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« Reply #4 on: 13:24:35, 27-02-2007 »

On my bad days I think that we live in dispassionate age of mass production and the sameness. On my good days I think that there are still artisans, original thinkers, talented performers and great variety. I don't know when I am right. 
Our age is strange because all this trends co-exist.
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« Reply #5 on: 13:52:12, 27-02-2007 »

I was interested by the comparison you made with Thomas Allen...

... there's nothing "new" there, but it's what is conventionally known as the "Stanislavsky Method".  Stanislavsky established what he called the "shkola perejivaniya" ("the school of living-through it", sometimes wrong translated as "school of suffering")...  the idea being that instead of just doing what's conventionally called "business"*, the actor retreats into the psyche of the character he is playing.  This is by no means an easy thing, and it involves some extensive self-hypnosis.

However, the point I am making here is that any work on this level needs extensive ensemble rehearsal with the other performers in the cast.  Stanislavsky himself suggested this should be anywhere from six months to two years!  Elia Kazan, the film director who embraced Stanislavsky's methods still suggested three months work on building the characters before rehearsals started.

But opera productions these days are often done on four weeks rehearsal...  in fact I've been given as little as two. What is heartbreaking under such conditions is when on Day 01, you get a message saying that "Mr Major-Operastar is unavailable for the first week of rehearsals, but has sent his understudy to learn the moves for him".  (You'll note that the production concept has now been reduced to the words "the moves", ie when to go on and off, and from which exit).  It's not only common practice for major stars to swan in 2-3 days before the show (expecting you to then abandon your schedule of work or personal plans to walk them through it a couple of times),  but opera-house managements expect it and plan for it.  There is even a living to be made as someone's understudy - for example I know a guy whose entire living is attending rehearsal schedules for a famous baritone.

Under these circs, it's not at all surprising that some singers seem to grin their way inanely through every role they do, whereas others actually take the whole range of their character's emotions onto their shoulders.  It's a question of professionalism versus money-making.

There are also performers who give the same performance in every production, no matter where it is.  People can get tripped-up like this...  a well-known baritone was contracted to do some of the original run of Jonathan Miller's RIGOLETTO at ENO.  Failing to bother to come to many rehearsals, as he was fitted for his barman's costume for Act I he was heard muttering  "'Ang on! Where're me bloody bells?"  Wink


* this is ruthlessly parodied in the "rough acting" books, where an actor required to play an old man wheels out "No 3 plus No 11 - stumbles along, cups hand to ear to indicate hard-of-hearing"
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« Reply #6 on: 14:06:03, 27-02-2007 »

Yes, Reiner, With conditions like this it is suprising there are good opera productions and good performances.
I think like is too fast now and performers don't have a rest needed.
I saw on tele a ballet dancer (a man) was so tired coming the night before from overseas, that he could not lift his partner and had a bad performance.
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« Reply #7 on: 09:10:23, 28-02-2007 »

I was fascinated to read what Reiner Torheit says about Stanislavsky.


WheI watch Tom Allen in 'Billy Budd'and even in 'Fledermaus' ,and Anthony Hopkins too, in his films such a s 'Howard s End and 'TheRemainsofthe Day' it isn't like watching someone act.,they seem actually to become the people they are playing.

Hearing Allen sing the 5 Ruckert-Lieder,I thought how Hampson would pour it all out in seamlessly golden sound and all the women in the audience say 'AAaHHH!'  but Allen went through every different  emotion Mahler would have felt,taking real risks with his voice : an amazing and at times disturbing experience. 
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« Reply #8 on: 09:21:32, 28-02-2007 »

Yes, Stanislavsky system is very good. I think that instrumental performers also should live in their performance and change their personality and emotions, according to the music.
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« Reply #9 on: 09:40:24, 28-02-2007 »

I'm lowering the tone a bit from Britten and Mahler here, but one of the very few recent performances that stopped me dead in my tracks was Thomas Allen singing "Close the Coalhouse Door". I think it was an encore at a Wigmore Hall recital. I didn't know the song - not my usual sort of thing - and I felt a cold horror and icy fingers on my spine. That's a real performance.
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« Reply #10 on: 10:56:34, 28-02-2007 »

There was a very ,moving TV play about 35 years ago called 'close the coalhouse door' which featured that song. It was indeed quite chilling. Like the famous documentary 'CoalFace'for which Britten did the music,it reminds us that the coal on which Britain's prosperity was built was produced at a terrible human cost.
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« Reply #11 on: 11:28:39, 28-02-2007 »

How can you expect anything more than the smilingly bland when that's all that the media and publicity machines require them to be? When performers are sold as much for their looks, personality, celebrity and even technical prowess rather than inate musicality and communication skills, I'm afraid it's bound to happen: style over substance is all, these days.
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« Reply #12 on: 11:41:24, 28-02-2007 »

Ho!  Has anybody considered the possible effect Music College styles may have upon this situation.  Most performers now come from them whereas, in the old days, many had individual, private tuition and coaching or attended a basic College course and were then tutored individually, often by highly respected performers and coaches.  Does the lack of individuality stem from a "conveyor belt" system?  Just a thought.
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« Reply #13 on: 11:44:48, 28-02-2007 »

Hi Soundwave - have a look at my comments in the thread about Instrumental teaching; also in Post the cover of a book... and in the Depression Room!  I've touched on this topic in all three places.

One thing I was going to say - if it hadn't been for the smilingly bland, Mr Barrington-Coupe wouldn't have got away with it for as long as he did...
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« Reply #14 on: 12:35:21, 28-02-2007 »

I quote this often, because to me, it is true, "I would rather hear that which moves me, than that which amazes me".
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