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Tony Watson
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« Reply #75 on: 15:32:35, 29-03-2007 »

I have a (Naxos) CD of music played on a glass harmonica. Fascinating though it is (I'm always interested in obscure instruments) I find I can only listen to it for up to ten minutes. It has been said that it has driven some people mad playing it and I have heard something similar said about ringing church bells. Some people have described the sound of the glass harmonica as celestial. If heaven is full of glass harmonicas and church bells, I'm not sure I want to go there.  Undecided
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« Reply #76 on: 10:59:43, 01-04-2007 »

There seems to be a rule of diminishing returns about exotic instruments which sound fascinatingly attractive at first but whose timbre begins to pall after hearing a whole concerto of it. How enticing is the saxophone in its first appearance in 'L'Arlesienne', how dreary after an hour of 'der-de-der -de der'from Sony Rollins!

This is surely the reasoning behind the timbre of the grand piano, mundane,ordinary,maybe, but ultimately,in the hands of a great player the most endlessly satisfying of all instruments. Think of the first chord of the Beethoven G major concerto, and try to describe the sound.What does a piano sound like? It's impossible for me to say.

 
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« Reply #77 on: 11:04:56, 01-04-2007 »

Some instruments sustain interest in themselves and some instruments fade away. Saxophone did not find itself on the whole in classical music. It probably doesnot have enough colours and tembre to sustain interest.
On the other hand piano, violin, cello have enough depth to them to attract composers again and again.
It is a survival of the fittiest of musical instruments world. Some species manage to make a comeback.
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« Reply #78 on: 12:17:54, 01-04-2007 »

I'll leap to the defence of the saxophone - and I'm neither a jazzer or a saxophonist. It depends on the player and the music written for it. I'm not a Sonny Rollins fan but there are a number of jazz players who do excite me. As for the music written for it - well, the French have a lot to answer for ! Any lack of colour or timbre seems to me to be the result of its misuse in "classical" circles by both players and composers.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #79 on: 12:53:00, 01-04-2007 »

Quite so, Autoharp. Anyone who thinks the saxophone is lacking in colour or interest has been listening to the wrong music, I think.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #80 on: 09:32:02, 08-04-2007 »

Let's hear it for the serpent.

http://www.serpentwebsite.com/ophi_maude.mp3

Apparently it did have a role in the symphony orchestra before the tuba established itself.

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autoharp
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« Reply #81 on: 09:37:15, 08-04-2007 »

Bernard Herrmann's "Journey to the centre of the earth" features a serpent.
Most gross it sounds as well.
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« Reply #82 on: 09:59:36, 10-04-2007 »

Perhaps criteria for favourite also depend on place and time. I have just had a skiing holiday in Saas Fee and each morning I heard an Alpenhorn.  It reminded me of a time when I was hiking up to the Bertol Hut in the Swiss Alps and an Alpenhorn sang out to encourage hikers up the mountain.  Just a fantastic and envigorating sound!

But a CD I have of Alpenhorn Concerti is just dire....

I don't think the instrument is well suited to the concert hall!

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richard barrett
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« Reply #83 on: 10:05:57, 10-04-2007 »

Blame the composer, not the instrument, perhaps.
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« Reply #84 on: 10:57:16, 10-04-2007 »

One book I can't recommend is the Oxford Companion to Musical Instruments. It's a very uneven work, writing at length on some minor instruments and barely mentioning ones you're more likely to come across. It's unclear what sort of reader it's aimed at, too. Needless to say, it makes no mention of the contrabass flute.

On a more positive note, Norman del Mar's Companion to the Orchestra provides many fascinating insights.
Do you mean Anatomy of the Orchestra (the book he dedicated to the composer thea Musgrave)? It is indeed a useful work.

Best,

Alistair
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« Reply #85 on: 11:20:47, 10-04-2007 »

The contrabass clarinet, yes - an instrument seeming beloved of both Colin and David Matthews, among others (and why on earth did Schönberg omit one from the group of seven, no less, that he used in Gurrelieder?) - but going on cues from from "autoharp" and Richard, let's hear it for the contabass saxophone in E flat - and also its much more recent companion (or rather alternative) the tubax. The problems with the former are twofold; firstly, very few of them appear to have been made and, secondly, their agility capability is less than that of the tubax in E flat, partly because of the sheer size of its keys and partly because of its enormous mouthpiece. The latter (which was, I think, invented less than ten years ago) has smaller keys and uses a standard baritone sax mouthpiece, which both make it easier to play, although its bore is rather smaller (and its appearance rather closer to a metal contrabassoon) so its tone is a little less rich than the contrabass sax's. It's a wonder that the bass sax is not used more often, too.

Del Mar, in his Amatomy of the Orchestra, makes out a strong case for the contrabass clarinet as the ideal orchestral bass woodwind instrument that never was; certainly, the present and long-standing incumbent, the contrabassoon, wonderful as it is, does not have quite the same combination of agility and power, a fact that I couldn't help but notice when listening a while ago to Michael Tilson Thomas's concerto for it (he doesn't actually call it a contrabassoon concerto and I've forgotten the actual title), even though played by a brilliant virtuoso who seemed to have no problem taking the instrument through the most improbably florid passagework and up to around middle C - its penetrating power is simply not all that great (and Tilson Thomas clearly used his conductorial experience to ensure that the orchestral writing was at all times appropriately discreet so as not to risk swamping it).

The sax family has for so long been too much associated with jazz, as though jazz was its only or principal raison d'être, although this is a good deal less the case now than it once was; personally, I'm quite interested in the notion of integrating various of its individual members in a wind ensemble and in fact did just that in a piece a while ago...

Best,

Alistair
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richard barrett
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« Reply #86 on: 11:41:46, 10-04-2007 »

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It's a wonder that the bass sax is not used more ofte
Well it so happens that what I'm working on at the moment features three single-reed players (in an ensemble of 16 instruments), one of which parts is, predictably enough for those in the know, intended for a regular contributor to these boards, and currently on the desk is a passage in which they all play saxophones: tenor, baritone and bass. The even-lower saxophones are also highly interesting things, but I haven't yet come into contact with anyone who plays them.

I didn't know MTT had written anything at all, let alone a concerto for contrabassoon. That's a pretty well-kept secret. What kind of music is it? (No hurry for Alistair to answer!)
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #87 on: 12:54:22, 10-04-2007 »

On a more positive note, Norman del Mar's Companion to the Orchestra provides many fascinating insights.

Do you mean Anatomy of the Orchestra (the book he dedicated to the composer thea Musgrave)? It is indeed a useful work.

Best,

Alistair

No, Companion to the Orchestra was published in 1987, but Anatomy is very good too, from what I've heard.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #88 on: 13:00:30, 10-04-2007 »

Urban Legend is the name of the piece for contrabassoon by Tilson Thomas, I think.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #89 on: 13:18:35, 10-04-2007 »

Thanks for that, Tony. A brief search reveals that in this work "Latin dance music is embedded in and contrasts with a variously tonal and atonal language." Think I might give it a wide berth.
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