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« Reply #15 on: 11:37:22, 23-03-2007 »

Delius has always been one of my favourite composers,and I have derived great satisfaction and joy from hearing his music.

He certainly had a very individual way with composing, and I think that is why few people are moderate about his works.They tend to love them or loathe  them.

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« Reply #16 on: 11:55:52, 23-03-2007 »

Delius has always been one of my favourite composers,and I have derived great satisfaction and joy from hearing his music. He certainly had a very individual way with composing . . .

We are in entire agreement with what Mr. Smittims says here. Over the years we have collected recordings of just about all Delius's works, and consider him a first-rate composer. His longer works and his operas are particularly good.

Here is a photograph of him in his prime. For some reason we usually see him portrayed when old and ill, but not here!



Another very interesting and worthwhile Delian item is "Delius as I Knew Him" by Eric Fenby. It is freely available to be downloaded from the Internet Archive here:

http://www.archive.org/details/deliusasiknewhim002565mbp

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« Reply #17 on: 11:03:37, 01-04-2007 »

SorThomas Beecham used to emphasis how energetic a hill-walker Delius was even in his forties,and what a cultured and informed conversationalist.

I think a fuller picture is always benficial,as with Elgar, say,often portrayed as a grumpy retired-Colonel deploring 20th-century manners, rather than the fun-loving raconteur known to his friends.
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« Reply #18 on: 22:04:41, 11-04-2007 »

SorThomas Beecham used to emphasis how energetic a hill-walker Delius was even in his forties,and what a cultured and informed conversationalist.

I think a fuller picture is always benficial,as with Elgar, say,often portrayed as a grumpy retired-Colonel deploring 20th-century manners, rather than the fun-loving raconteur known to his friends.
//////////////<<<<<<<<<<<< Talking of "Hill-walking" can anyone recopmmend the best performance on CD that is still available of "Song of the High Hills"?
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« Reply #19 on: 10:55:15, 12-04-2007 »

Hello all. But especially fellow Delians! Not sure about current availability - but there haven’t been that many recordings of Song of the High Hills (surely D’s masterpiece) over the years - Beecham, Groves, Fenby, Mackerras and Bo Holten. And that’s it, I think. Beecham to my mind, despite the insights, is ruled out by a restrictive (and mono) recording, Groves is relatively perfunctory (compared to his marvellous ‘A Mass of Life’), Mackerras and Holten both have more energy for the ascent than Fenby. Fenby’s is an expansive view of the piece (Unicorn - with the Ambrosian Singers and the Royal Philharmonic - a recording made in 1983) but the only one where the Song - the voices - really do sing their triple pianos as a triple piano - neither does any other recording do quite as much justice to Delius’s evocative and elemental timpani writing in the piece. I’d suggest Fenby and then Mackerras, in that order. All best, J
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« Reply #20 on: 11:10:41, 12-04-2007 »

Hello Jonathan, and welcome! It was most interesting listening to Mark Elder on Iain Burnside's programme last Sunday defending English music which had attracted some critical comments from previous weeks, especially Bax. Elder felt that a lot of the criticism was due to conductors who didn't necessarily approach the music in the right way. He cited Delius' Brigg Fair as being particularly difficult to get right; I have to say I rather like his Hallé recording of the piece and think, along with Vernon Handley and Charles Mackerras, he is one of the finest conductors of English music of that period we have.
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« Reply #21 on: 16:03:09, 12-04-2007 »

Mark - I must seek out that Elder Brigg Fair (I admire him too, but didn’t hear the interview). It must be strange for Elder with the Hallé picking up with Delius (and Elgar etc). from JB, albeit after a gap of over thirty years. I wonder if there are any of the same players in the orchestra? I don’t suppose Elder does the JB thing in Brigg Fair in Variation no.11...... in Barbirolli’s hands, a quite explicit funeral march - and perhaps more moving as a result  - apparently Philip Heseltine claimed that it should be taken, effectively, as if it were in 4/2, not 4/4 (as marked in the score) i.e. twice as slow! Bws, J.
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« Reply #22 on: 16:14:28, 12-04-2007 »

Hi Tommo, you must have a go at playing the Delius string quartet, it is delightful, not easy but fairly amusing directions for the players. I performed this last year with my quartet ( before my move darn 'ere) and it seemed to go well.. although it was to a branch of the Delius Society !!

A good Society though... I suggest anyone interested in Delius should have a look at the website, and join us at meetings, in London, Derby and Taunton ( occasionally) a friendly lot! google 'The Delius Scoiety' ... it comes up straight away.

Koanga is being performed in London at the moment.

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« Reply #23 on: 16:21:30, 12-04-2007 »

Jonathan, Elder doesn't slow down to the extent that Barbirolli does, but the overall account takes a tad over 16 and a half minutes, so it never feels too swift. The programme for the rest of the disc is particularly good - some Butterworth, some more Delius (Irmelin Prelude + Walk to the Paradise Garden), plus the Grainger arrangement of Brigg Fair (with James Gilchrist) and the 1908 recording of Joseph Taylor singing Brigg Fair, who Grainger first heard in 1905!

Clips here (plus a couple going very cheap!  Wink):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/English-Rhapsody-Frederick-Delius/dp/B0000AE7B3/ref=sr_1_1/202-5913406-5145461?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1176391210&sr=8-1
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« Reply #24 on: 16:33:41, 12-04-2007 »

as if it were in 4/2, not 4/4 (as marked in the score) i.e. twice as slow!

Isn't 4/2 twice as fast as 4/4? Wink
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« Reply #25 on: 21:27:36, 12-04-2007 »

Hi Tommo, you must have a go at playing the Delius string quartet, it is delightful, not easy but fairly amusing directions for the players.

Thanks A,

Have just started a quartet and need to try some stuff  I'll see if I can hunt it out

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« Reply #26 on: 17:17:08, 13-04-2007 »

I think the set of Delius 'orchestral works' on 2 cds by C Mackerras, including a gorgeous interpretation of Brigg Fair, takes some beating. He has a good 'relationship' with Delius's music I feel.

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« Reply #27 on: 13:57:04, 15-04-2007 »

Mackerras' 'Song of the High Hills' is the best modern recording(ie. post-Beecham) I know of the work.

I don't know if it is still available. The number was London 443 171-2. It was issued in 1995 and the couplings were similarly pre-eminent performances:  'Appalachia' and 'Over the Hills and Far Away'

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« Reply #28 on: 19:26:43, 15-04-2007 »

I was trying to find a review of Koanga that had appeared in the Guardian and which had pointed out the structural faults in the work. But all I found was this:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,659331,00.html

It's about music "chosen" by Sven-Goran Eriksson for a set of CDs. Oh yeah, I can just picture him discussing his choice with Nancy, contrasting the relative merits Elgar and Delius.

But the way England are playing these days, I think Steve McClaren should pick Delius and Elgar. They could hardly do worse.
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« Reply #29 on: 10:59:18, 16-04-2007 »

Koanga' is probably the most stageworthy of Delius' operas,but like all the others ,it has dramatic imperfections. As with all composers who lacked extensive practical experience of the theatre Delius faced insurmountable probems in writing operas,regardless ofthe beauty of the music. .

Even Beecham had trouble staging 'Koanga',though the costumes seem to have been much to blame.  Eric Fenby said that John Browlee in shorts looked 'like  a goalkeeper' and when Beecham saw Oda Sloboskaya's headdress he laughed so much she threw  a shoe at him (an operatic first?).

Maybe the CD,and the listener's imnagination ,are the best way to hear these works. I don't feel as compelled to watch the DVD of 'A Village Romeo and Juliet' ,though beautifully filmed in the open air on location , as I am to hear  again Beecham's BBC broadcast oin SOMM CDs.
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