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thompson1780
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« on: 22:49:37, 14-03-2007 »

Listening to a bit of the Arnold Bax Lyric Interlude for String Quintet on Breakfast this morning, I was reminded of the Delius String Quartet.  That's promped me to listen to some Delius tonight.

I'd forgoten how good he was - I love The Walk to the Paradise Garden and On Hearing the First Cuckoo in Spring.  I got to know the marvellous violin concerto through the Ralph Holmes Tod Handley recording - why aren't there many more interpretations?

What are your thoughts on Delius?

Tommo
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« Reply #1 on: 11:52:14, 15-03-2007 »

Ho Tommo.  I love a lot of Delius, particularly "Songs of Sunset", the underrated "Seven Danish Songs","Koanga", the Violin Concerto and Brigg Fair.  As you know, it's usual for composers to go in and out of fashion and, at the moment, Delius, a pretty original composer, seems to be a little out of fashion.  I've no doubt there will be a revival.  After all, if you and I like him - there must be.
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« Reply #2 on: 12:44:54, 15-03-2007 »

Delius has grown on me in recent times.  With my liking for light music coming into play. may I recommend the Florida Suite?  It's a bit of a curate's egg but its better parts are a delight.  The first movement contains a 'draft' of the tune that later became La Calinda and the second one, By the River, is quite haunting to my ears.

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« Reply #3 on: 22:25:06, 15-03-2007 »

I agree completely - Delius is wonderful. I'm glad the Florida Suite has been mentioned as it is utterly delightful, but also very early, which might put it in danger of being dismissed as not "mature" Delius. Maybe it is not, but nevertheless it is very fine. The "La Calinda" was used in the opera "Koanga". Tasmin Little recorded the Violin Concerto. There are three other concertos, too: for Piano (early, and a bit Grieg-like - they were friends), for Cello (described as being more like an autumnal tone-poem than a concerto in a book on concertos), and the Double (for Violin and Cello). These are all fascinating and beautiful works for listeners who can enter Delius's sound-world. What about "The Mass of Life"? It is big-scale, and the beginning of Part two is extremely beautiful. Also I love especially "Sea-Drift". What a master of emotion Delius was. And to think that without the advocacy of Beecham none of might even know any Delius!
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« Reply #4 on: 22:57:53, 15-03-2007 »

I think Delius is one of those composers i'm able to recognise after the first few bars - hearing the Mass of Life one time at the festival hall was a mystical experience - my very favourite record is Beecham conducting Appalachia and North Country Sketches from the fifties - the nostalgia seems to eminate from every note !
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« Reply #5 on: 23:38:07, 15-03-2007 »

Yep, Delius is a favourite of mine too. I'm inclined to think that the miniatures show him at his very best, and the 12 minute works are more variable, but I do like Brigg Fair, Eventyr, In a Summer Garden, Paris (longer, but lovely - Groves did a wonderful recording of it; he was a great Delian), Song of Summer. Tommo, I agree about Walk to the Paradise Garden - it does it for me every time! Has anyone heard the complete Village Romeo and Juliet? I like the unaccompanied choral music, and Sea Drift and the Requiem; haven't yet attempted A Mass of Life yet; some of the songs are rather good too. I know a couple of the violin sonatas (No 3 and the early one) and in their different ways they are both enjoyable.

One day I'm going to sit down and work out what it is about this music I particularly like, but for the moment it is its timeless, hazy, quality, the imagined associations - escapism, but classy escapism!
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« Reply #6 on: 21:24:46, 16-03-2007 »

I would love to hear the original version of La Calinda, about half of which is sung. Apparently it was considered too erotic at the time (that's not why I want to hear it!) - especially the part that comes after a few bars of pizzicato strings.
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« Reply #7 on: 12:58:44, 17-03-2007 »

Tony.  You can hear La Calinda in the complete recording of Koanga -  with chorus, banjos etc.  I love it.
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« Reply #8 on: 14:03:50, 17-03-2007 »

Which complete recording is that, SW?
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« Reply #9 on: 15:18:04, 17-03-2007 »

Ho Tony.  The link below will give you details of the recording.  It looks as if now it may have to be imported.  There are a lot of "sound" excerpts on this linked site.  The last three on the right hand end of the upper line are in the La Calinda area.  I think you'll enjoy those.



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« Reply #10 on: 13:42:42, 18-03-2007 »

Yep, Delius is a favourite of mine too. I'm inclined to think that the miniatures show him at his very best, and the 12 minute works are more variable, but I do like Brigg Fair, Eventyr, In a Summer Garden, Paris (longer, but lovely - Groves did a wonderful recording of it; he was a great Delian), Song of Summer. Tommo, I agree about Walk to the Paradise Garden - it does it for me every time! Has anyone heard the complete Village Romeo and Juliet? I like the unaccompanied choral music, and Sea Drift and the Requiem; haven't yet attempted A Mass of Life yet; some of the songs are rather good too. I know a couple of the violin sonatas (No 3 and the early one) and in their different ways they are both enjoyable.

One day I'm going to sit down and work out what it is about this music I particularly like, but for the moment it is its timeless, hazy, quality, the imagined associations - escapism, but classy escapism!
Yes: once many years ago I was privileged to stand (yes, stand!) at the back of a theatre and witness "A Village Romeo and Juliet". Now I actually have a DVD of it, but have not yet watched it. I agree with what you say about the miniatures - I especially like the Cuckoo, and the Walk. Classy escapism! Well, maybe. It is a sound-world which one can enter and get lost in, but you either like it or hate it, I believe. For people who hate it I can only assume that they have no ear for the supreme subtlety of Delius' harmonic language.
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« Reply #11 on: 17:31:41, 20-03-2007 »

 #1      Hello, Tommo

I was intrigued by the timing of your posting as, instead of selecting my music on an ad hoc basis, Delius in particular, always makes a specific impact on me, during Spring, probably due to the influence of "A Mass of Life".   A start is made by viewing Ken Russell's Monitor film, "A Song of Summer", still vivid and complex in the BFI DVD remastering.

And Eric Fenby's memoir, "Delius as I Knew Him" is always worth revisiting before hearing "A Mass of Life".   This Sony 2CD set of the 1952 recording; Sir Thomas Beecham conducting the RPO/LPO Choir, as well as adding a typical pithy introductory talk; features Rosina Raisbeck, Monica Sinclair, Charles Craig, and Bruce Boyce as soloists.

Charles Burr's notes focus on Nietzsche's influence on Delius and refer to Philip Heseltine's:  "This turning to art, instead of religion and philosophy, is central to to the view of "A Mass of Life" expressed by Heseltine in his "Frederick Delius".         "........this work is not an attempt to set philosophy to music, as it has been foolishly described.   It is Nietzsche, the poet - an incomparably greater man than Nietzsche, the philosopher - who has been drawn upon for the text; one might almost say Nietzsche, the musician, for when his creative imagination soars highest his very words aspire towards the condition of music, seeking to express a wider significance than words alone can ever convey...........And Delius is, indeed, a pantheistic mystic whose vision has been attained by an all-embracing acceptation, a "yea-saying" to life."

Charles Groves also has a stereo recording of merit in the EMI Classics series.  Heather Harper, Helen Watts, Robert Tear, Benjamin Luxon; LPO and Choir.

For lighter measure, I turn to the Delius score for "Hassan" which has survived Flecker's turgid play; the "Florida Suite" for balmy indulgence and the ever constant delight of "Hearing the First Cuckoo in Spring".

And the euphoria of completing my first posting on my new Dell Vista computer with thanks to Ron Dough for his guidance on the return journey to the R3 Boards.    Home again!

Bws,            Stanley
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« Reply #12 on: 10:29:11, 21-03-2007 »

Thanks everyone for the recommendations.

And thanks Stanley for the pointers to wider resources that would help appreciate Delius. I'm interested too that you associate Delius with Spring.  I think I really got into Delius thanks to a recording by the Fitzwilliam Quartet of the String Quartet, which is subtitled 'Late Swallows' (I think).  Partly as a result, I associate his sounds with hot summer days on a hillside surrounded by dry grasses and that sort of hay smell, the sun beating down on my face.

Doesn't quite work for 'Cuckoo' though!

Tommo
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« Reply #13 on: 11:56:38, 21-03-2007 »

And a happy first day of spring to one and all!

Cuckoos all round!!!
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« Reply #14 on: 12:24:15, 21-03-2007 »

On Cooking the First Hero of Spring

Just the day for it, eh?  Wink
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