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« Reply #30 on: 18:30:18, 09-05-2008 » |
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I received the standard response and have just fired off another complaint: I'm sorry, but this response does not offer adequate justification for the appalling presentation of this year's Young Musician category finals programmes. It strikes me as a defensive piece of corporate drivel. You state that you are seeking to attract a 'new and wider audience', but is there any evidence that you have been successful? How do your audience figures compare to 2006 category finals? How does the number of complaints compare to previous years, I wonder? The fact that a contestant in the category finals has herself appeared on the R3 messageboards to express her frustration that so little of her performance was actually aired on the television should hit the BBC very hard - you are fooling nobody. The BBC's 'commitment' to classical music on television is, apart from the annual Proms concert season, fairly pathetic. If 'trying to find a new audience' means poor quality programmes such as 'Classical Star' and a revamped, dumbed-down Young Musician, then you need to have a serious rethink.
I also asked for a personal repsonse to my points, not a standard one pasted to everyone who had a complaint about the programmes. |
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Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency
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« Reply #31 on: 18:44:15, 09-05-2008 » |
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IGI, did your standard reply also contain the uncorrected error? "To help achieve this, we try new production techniques and presentation styles while also have ensuring that our content is accessible across many different platforms." The comment regarding 'a full concert orchestra' rather leads one to believe that whoever drafted the reply had next to no knowledge of what is required for a concerto performance. The basic premise seems to be 'we've made presentation changes in order to increase our figures, and we don't accept that this should present any problem to our existing audience'. Now where have we heard that before?  |
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Il Grande Inquisitor
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« Reply #32 on: 19:02:47, 09-05-2008 » |
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IGI, did your standard reply also contain the uncorrected error? "To help achieve this, we try new production techniques and presentation styles while also have ensuring that our content is accessible across many different platforms."
It certainly did, Ron! The comment regarding 'a full concert orchestra' rather leads one to believe that whoever drafted the reply had next to no knowledge of what is required for a concerto performance. I wasn't impressed by the repsonse, as you can tell. Sadly, I don't believe that the BBC will respond to any of the complaints in a meaningful way at all, but I still think it's important that they are submitted by as many viewers as possible. I had hoped that BBC4 would be a platform for quality Arts programming (and indeed, to give them their due, there are some good music programmes, but they are few and far between). |
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« Reply #33 on: 19:19:17, 09-05-2008 » |
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I received the standard response and have just fired off another complaint:
What did you do, IGI, start from scratch again? I responded to the reply I got but it just bounced back almost immediately with the text "our email system can only receive your email if it is submitted using our pre-formatted webform" which seems to preclude linking my new complaint with the reply to which it is a response. I suppose I could just paste the previous correspondence into the webform. |
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Il Grande Inquisitor
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« Reply #34 on: 19:23:03, 09-05-2008 » |
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Yes, mine bounced back too, but there was a link there to the complaints procedure I originally used. I took care to paste in the reference number, for what it's worth.
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« Reply #35 on: 19:37:34, 09-05-2008 » |
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Yes, I've got mine too - complete with misprint.
I think a letter to the BBC Trust may be the next stage, in the light of this wholly inadequate response. I don't expect it to change much, but at least it means that another rock is being lobbed into the pond.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #36 on: 11:23:53, 10-05-2008 » |
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If the 'new' audience can't hear the music it rather defeats the whole point doesn't it?
That seems to sum it up rather neatly. The aim of popularization is fine, but to have as the underlying assumption "You won't like this, it's boring"... I didn't see the programmes. I just want this thread to come up under my "Show new replies". |
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #37 on: 19:25:59, 10-05-2008 » |
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I started to watch the final online, the only place where you can get it live, but the sound and picture on my computer were so bad that I gave up. The pianist was on first. Why isn't it on television?
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« Reply #38 on: 19:32:09, 10-05-2008 » |
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As I've just said at TOP, I was infuriated by Gethin Jones claiming that this was going out live on the web, so "everyone in the UK can see it".
Things are looking up here - I'm now getting the occasional picture. But there's still no running order on the Young Musician website (which incidentally describes Ben Foster as a "composer and conductor" but simply describes Paul Daniel as having recently received the CBE!).
Amateur hour, really.
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« Reply #39 on: 19:41:35, 10-05-2008 » |
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What really annoys me is that we spend £140 on a TV Licence and then are told to bulglar off to watch it on the Net.
Fine, but suppose you have more than one person who wants to watch on a 15" screen via computer? The seating gets complicated to say the least.......
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #40 on: 20:01:39, 10-05-2008 » |
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I am really, really angry about this.
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« Reply #41 on: 20:10:16, 10-05-2008 » |
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What really annoys me is that we spend £140 on a TV Licence and then are told to bulglar off to watch it on the Net.
A good point, and one I included in my complaint about the sectional finals, Anna. I didn't overemphasise it, though, because I really wanted to stress my indignation at the way programmes which were really just massively overblown documentaries about the YMotY were presented as the event itself. I make no bones about the fact that I wanted these programmes not to exist - or at least to be clearly labelled as what they were - at least as much as I wanted to see the full performances. Let's be honest; how many of us would have been quite as angry as we are now if the BBC had simply not screened any of the TV shows? It was the travesty and the misrepresentation that really rankled, wasn't it? |
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« Reply #42 on: 20:11:18, 10-05-2008 » |
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I am really, really angry about this.
So am I. We know perfectly well that football, celebrity ballroom dancing competitions and even the Eurovision bluddy Song Contest would never be treated this way. How the BBC expects its licence payers to watch the final of a flagship music contest:  |
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« Reply #43 on: 21:41:35, 10-05-2008 » |
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« Reply #44 on: 17:03:13, 11-05-2008 » |
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I've just started watching the final online, and I don't know whether this is really a complaint, but doesn't the concert hall seem very dark? Unusual. Or perhaps it's not as dark as it looks
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