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Come on Martle.... you can do it!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: 22:19:22, 01-07-2007 » |
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only had one more ciggy since last posting
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« Reply #17 on: 22:23:30, 01-07-2007 » |
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So that's one an hour or so? Great start, Ian - hope you keep it up! You've never been a smoker, then, Ollie, have you? Can sort of tell...  |
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Ian, trouble is, the Chinese take-outs multiply and you turn into Turning into a BBM is not a preferred option. Hmmm - nice bottle of Scotch in the kitchen, but binging on that might bring it's own problems as well..... Those who have never smoked have some incredible ideas on how supposedly easy the process of giving-up might be, and never hesitate to offer advice in that respect..... |
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« Reply #19 on: 22:36:20, 01-07-2007 » |
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Come on folks - quit it! To encourage you, here is a 14th-century chanson by Solage called "Fumeax fume".  This curious piece is described thus at http://www.newberry.org/consort/saintsinnerprogram.html: "Solage's Fumeux fume pokes fun at a group of giddy young men who called themselves the Society of Fumeurs (smokers). One of their number was the poet Eustace Deschamps, the self-proclaimed nephew of Guillaume de Machaut, and a habitué of the French court. I suspect that he is the "Smokey" of the song. The poem, a rondeau, is unusually short, while the composition is unusually long, inviting the singer and the audience to lose track of what little sense the words make in the first place. The marvelously bizarre chromaticism of the music also leads the musicians through tonal labyrinths. In short, the piece is a vivid, merciless evocation of drug-induced inebriation. Did the Fumeurs smoke? and if so, what? Opium or hashish are the most likely candidates." In modern notation, it goes something like this:  Baz |
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« Reply #20 on: 22:46:16, 01-07-2007 » |
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Turning into a BBM is not a preferred option. Hmmm - nice bottle of Scotch in the kitchen, but binging on that might bring it's own problems as well.....
But there's no obligation to "binge" on it, Ian; there is such a thing as actually enjoying it, you know... Those who have never smoked have some incredible ideas on how supposedly easy the process of giving-up might be, and never hesitate to offer advice in that respect..... That's very true, of course (and those who are moralistic about it probably do that kind of thing the loudest), but I did once smoke - and they were really the bottom-right-of-the charts ciggies that I used to get given - although I have to admit that my chucking of that habit was easy for me because I suddenly developed a revulsion for it, so I for one claim no great virtue in having given up - I'm just relieved that I did so when I did (although, having stopped, I probably found it rather harder than I might otherwise have done to cope with the occasional heavy-duty onslaughts of Gauloise fumes that I encountered in certain teaching rooms during my studentship...) Best, Alistair |
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« Reply #21 on: 22:47:40, 01-07-2007 » |
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Good luck, Ian; as a nonsmoker and very, very infrequent (and even then very light) drinker, I have no idea what you're going (to be going) through, but I'll be thinking of you.
Being a nonsmoker and being American, the smell of smoke actually tends to remind me of my various European trips, including Bastille Day sitting at that cafe in Metz with you in 2005 listening to Francisco Guerrero's orchestral works on your iPod. But I will just need to find another sensory trigger for what I hope will be numerous future such memories.
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« Reply #22 on: 22:52:57, 01-07-2007 » |
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You've never been a smoker, then, Ollie, have you? Can sort of tell... I don't know, you try to encourage someone...  |
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« Reply #23 on: 22:55:51, 01-07-2007 » |
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Ah, I love that Solage piece! (The recent[ish] Gothic Voices recording is marvellous, but I have a few others.) And I have no intention of giving up smoking just to placate a few interfering control freaks.
But the idea, opilec, is to give it up NOT 'to placate a few interfering control freaks', but rather to prevent yourself from DYING prematurely.  Baz |
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You've never been a smoker, then, Ollie, have you? Can sort of tell... I don't know, you try to encourage someone... No, no, no, no, Ollie! What you did was inject irony when what's needed is hand-holding and slaps on backs. Ian made it for an hour without a fag at a time of day when, yesterday, it would have been unthinkable. THUMBS UP! |
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I don't know, you try to encourage someone... No, no, no, no, Ollie! What you did was inject irony when what's needed is hand-holding and slaps on backs. Ian made it for an hour without a fag at a time of day when, yesterday, it would have been unthinkable. THUMBS UP! But that wasn't supposed to be irony, Martle!! |
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« Reply #26 on: 23:07:36, 01-07-2007 » |
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Try considering what the big tobacco companies get up to, opilec - that should provide ample incentive.
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« Reply #27 on: 23:09:17, 01-07-2007 » |
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Yes, Baz, I know: live longer, and more miserably.  Is there a single ex-smoker who is more miserable as a result of giving up? (ARGGGGGHHHHH!! I'm starting to sound like one of those horribly sanctimonious ex-smokers now!!!!) |
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Yes, Baz, I know: live longer, and more miserably. Is there a single ex-smoker who is more miserable as a result of giving up? (ARGGGGGHHHHH!! I'm starting to sound like one of those horribly sanctimonious ex-smokers now!!!!) Congratulations, Ian, you've just started and already that ineffable feeling of superiority is creeping in - feels good, doesn't it?  |
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Yes, Baz, I know: live longer, and more miserably. Is there a single ex-smoker who is more miserable as a result of giving up? (ARGGGGGHHHHH!! I'm starting to sound like one of those horribly sanctimonious ex-smokers now!!!!) People. Please note the slightly hysterical, bordering-on-paranoid and delusional tone already creeping into Ian's posts. Deserving of our sympathy, I would contend; and if you feel moved to make a donation, I'm sure John or Michael would be happy to start up a Pace-it-out fund. Ian, and others such as myself, need your collective support in moments such as this. Please be generous. |
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