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« Reply #90 on: 13:51:47, 03-07-2007 » |
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... the tell-tale sign is when you hear a recording with a perfectly in-tune but utterly wrong note in it Hmmm ... a curiously similar effect can be achieved by this device:  |
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« Reply #91 on: 13:53:27, 03-07-2007 » |
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Really? I don't want to argue, but I must confess that I find this rather hard to believe; I'm not for one moment suggesting that at least some practitioners in that industry do not work and train hard as such, but what surely distinguishes the kind of work involved from that of the "classical" musician is the sheer amount of time and concentration required of the latter. No, that distinction doesn't hold. Pop singers may spend rather less time training their voices than, say, operatic divas, but they have to spend every bit as much time and effort perfecting their integrated act - voice, gesture, clothes, manner, dance, etc., etc., etc. Anyone who thinks that's less effort than is involved in classical music should try doing it. Whether the results are always worth it is of course another matter.... |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #92 on: 13:54:20, 03-07-2007 » |
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... the tell-tale sign is when you hear a recording with a perfectly in-tune but utterly wrong note in it Hmmm ... a curiously similar effect can be achieved by this device: You tend to have to play rather more of them notes on that device, mind you.... |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #93 on: 13:55:02, 03-07-2007 » |
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On the subject of pop singers being able to sing in tune - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotune . I believe most studios have this nowadays - the tell-tale sign is when you hear a recording with a perfectly in-tune but utterly wrong note in it. I'm also informed that this device is increasingly employed in classical studios as well......  Really? (ah yes, this is what I meant when I said vocoder; I did have occasion to play with a vocoder once, and it did the autotuning thing). |
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« Reply #94 on: 14:01:26, 03-07-2007 » |
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the tell-tale sign is when you hear a recording with a perfectly in-tune but utterly wrong note in it. To me the tell-tale sign is a recording where vocal vibrato is present but involves no pitch element - and where not a single note is 'smeared' in musical styles which normally not only allow but require it... But I'm really just here to contribute another round of Keep it up, Ian!  |
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« Reply #95 on: 14:05:55, 03-07-2007 » |
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Cheers ollie - looking at the recurrent faces in the above - have you been engaging in some papering, then?  |
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« Reply #96 on: 14:07:22, 03-07-2007 » |
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looking at the recurrent faces in the above - have you been engaging in some papering, then? Never heard of three cheers? |
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« Reply #97 on: 14:15:33, 03-07-2007 » |
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Really? I don't want to argue, but I must confess that I find this rather hard to believe; I'm not for one moment suggesting that at least some practitioners in that industry do not work and train hard as such, but what surely distinguishes the kind of work involved from that of the "classical" musician is the sheer amount of time and concentration required of the latter. No, that distinction doesn't hold. Pop singers may spend rather less time training their voices than, say, operatic divas, but they have to spend every bit as much time and effort perfecting their integrated act - voice, gesture, clothes, manner, dance, etc., etc., etc. Anyone who thinks that's less effort than is involved in classical music should try doing it. That's really what I meant by "I'm not for one moment suggesting that at least some practitioners in that industry do not work and train hard as such"; however, as best I understand it, the kinds of effort involved are largely very different to those that a "classical" performer or composer has to make - which seems perfectly understandable, since the respective aims and desired results are inevitably so different. Whether the results are always worth it is of course another matter....
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« Reply #98 on: 14:24:35, 03-07-2007 » |
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May I just add my support too, Ian? I've never had to go through it myself, but there are family members who have and have really struggled (all but one who finds it so easy that he gives up regularly. ) |
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« Reply #99 on: 15:33:00, 03-07-2007 » |
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That's impressive Ian! (er, I'm talking about the fags here rather than the Spice Girls) When I was giving up, for a bit of encouragement sometimes I used to imagine all the cigarettes I would smoke in a year in a pile, out of their boxes, (scary how they add up!) and just imagine taking great chunks out of that pile. Eventually it did end up at zero! I could always smoke those Sorabji scores, perhaps? Chopped into little pieces and rolled up into a special joint is surely likely to give a much bigger buzz than listening to any of the works.....  Under no circumstances should you ever do this with Andrew Lloyd Webber scores as it could cause permanent neural damage! I'd have thought that a more likely problem arising from trying it with Andrew Lord Webber scores would be that they'd probably fail to light up at all... Best, Alistair |
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« Reply #100 on: 19:29:41, 03-07-2007 » |
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Ho! Many, many years ago I smoked and gave it up after convincing myself that I hated every aspect of it. The day before I stopped I sickened myself by smoking from the moment I woke up until I went to bed. Every second of the day a cigarette was between my lips. Result. Total dislike of the weed. Several years ago I was smoking cigars. When it got to more than fifteen half-coronas a day I used the same method and even smoked cigars whilst I was eating. Result, next morning. Revulsion. On both occasions I had no further desire or longing to smoke. I had, on a couple of occasions, tried to cut down on the cigarettes. Cutting down does not work.
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« Reply #101 on: 19:44:35, 03-07-2007 » |
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Ha! Ian is going off topic!
There's likely to be a lot of that in this thread - those who don't like it can just kiss my a**! Of course, my j'accuse was meant in jest... yet if you want me to kiss your ale, you should be aware I might drink it instead. |
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« Reply #102 on: 19:47:41, 03-07-2007 » |
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smoking from the moment I woke up until I went to bed. Every second of the day a cigarette was between my lips. Ho! Swave! I think Ian's tried that one. |
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« Reply #103 on: 20:01:29, 03-07-2007 » |
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Hmmm. Thinks. There must obviously be something to this smoking business after all. Maybe I'll take it up   [But seriously, well done Ian and to all who are in the process of giving up.] |
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« Reply #104 on: 21:09:28, 03-07-2007 » |
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That's surely dangerous for your health? (You can't see where you are going, and might bump into something.....}
Ian et al, good luck with giving up.
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