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And let us not forget JP_Vinyl, MrY and Pim Derks (and even, despite the odd malapropism, t-p, too) on our own board, all of whom are streets ahead of many who post at TOP (and even the odd one or two here, for that matter).
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« Reply #646 on: 23:03:03, 22-06-2008 » |
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My local 'newly-arrived' residents (who, let us be frank, are on the point of outnumbering us) Ba'z Can we have some figures to back up the latter claim? And by 'us', do you mean the 'people like you' that live on your street? In your town? In your region of the UK? In the UK as a whole? And why not go the whole hog and say that 'People are really rather afraid that this country might be swamped by people of a different culture' as one former Prime Minister said in Wolverhampton in 1978, after which her standing in the polls shifted from neck-and-neck with Labour to a 9% lead? 'PC-mafia' is an easy piece of rhetoric to use. If we had, say, a near 50% Muslim population, then indeed there would be an issue of which group were in the majority. The current situation (despite the propaganda of the far right and various American neo-conservative Islamophobic commentators) is nothing like that. |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #647 on: 23:05:43, 22-06-2008 » |
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Er, Ian, it might be worth having a look at how the discussion unfolded from there before going too far down that road...
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« Reply #648 on: 23:08:06, 22-06-2008 » |
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Er, Ian, it might be worth having a look at how the discussion unfolded from there before going too far down that road...
Yes, I saw that - I'm not convinced it did not amount to a retrospective covering of one's tracks in place of the original intent (not least in light of the 'No Comment' remarks). I suppose that makes me one of the 'PC-mafia'. |
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« Reply #649 on: 23:24:24, 22-06-2008 » |
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Ian, those Members who initially questioned what Baz had said now seem happy with his clarification of the original posting. Can we now let the matter rest, please?
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« Reply #650 on: 23:25:08, 22-06-2008 » |
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Ian, those Members who initially questioned what Baz had said now seem happy with his clarification of the original posting. Can we now let the matter rest, please?
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« Reply #651 on: 23:34:26, 22-06-2008 » |
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Thanks for that Ian. Appreciated.
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« Reply #652 on: 09:16:06, 23-06-2008 » |
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I don't want to keep this going, but a few statistics from the 2001 Census may be of interest. The proportion of the population defining themselves as "White British" (which does not include "White Irish" or indeed European, American or Australian) are as follows:
England 86.99%
Greater London 59.79
Hackney 44.12
West Midlands 86.15 (ie average)
Brighton and Hove 88.02
Winchester 94.84
Norfolk 96.23
Isles of Scilly 97.17
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #653 on: 10:40:33, 23-06-2008 » |
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Don, Are you just wanting to make a 'point' about Hackney? Just in case Baz was finking orf moving there?  Why not say the same for Handsworth, Alum Rock, Bradford, oh and for the even-numbered side of our street  |
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« Reply #654 on: 10:58:08, 23-06-2008 » |
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No, John, I included Hackney mainly because I live there, and it was worth pointing out one area where White British are not the majority. The areas are local authorities as in the census. I can look up Bradford or Handsworth if you like, but I noticed that the West Midlands as a whole are average for the country.
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« Reply #655 on: 11:08:26, 23-06-2008 » |
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(It's 'shall' though, isn't it? Have you heard the recording of the premiere? Roy Hart didn't manage to get an OBE so an OMFG might have to do.)
Oh yes, so it is. Haven't got around to ordering yet. Just about to check my bank balance in fear and trepidation so it might have to wait until I'm back from Germany. |
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« Reply #656 on: 13:22:01, 23-06-2008 » |
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No, John, I included Hackney mainly because I live there, and it was worth pointing out one area where White British are not the majority. The areas are local authorities as in the census. I can look up Bradford or Handsworth if you like, but I noticed that the West Midlands as a whole are average for the country.
Why is it worth pointing out one area when there are hundreds?  Oh, and Bradford is NOT in the West Midlands, Don  In the Stoke area of Coventry there is a high Polish population and at least three Polish shops. In the Midlands places like Alum Rock and Foleshill have main streets where the shops don't have shop window signs in English. Now you're talking! Why not go back to 1923 when there were very Italian and very Jewish areas in the cities? Don't think many White British complained then  |
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« Reply #657 on: 13:25:26, 23-06-2008 » |
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Don't think many White British complained then
Somehow find that hard to believe. At any time, somewhere, for some reason, a British citizen is complaining. This is beyond dispute. |
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« Reply #658 on: 13:31:36, 23-06-2008 » |
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John, I just had the entire census spreadsheet up and grabbed some figures which might be illustrative. If I was trying to make any point at all, (and it was foolish to try) it was that "newly arrived" residents in most part of the country are not out numbering others by any means. Those areas where they do, strike me as the more interesting places to live, but I was trying to keep personal views out of it. John, I'm on your side here! I am perfectly well aware that Bradford is in the West Riding, and almost certainly has a high then average proportion of non-White British. All the stats you could ever want here http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/SearchRes.asp?term=ks06&x=33&y=6 |
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« Reply #659 on: 18:17:43, 23-06-2008 » |
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Thanks Don. Hey this is the Pedantry Thread, we just jump on anything that's said here Of course I wasn't referring just to 'newly arrived' immigrants, many arrived before I was born. I take hh's comment on board too, there's always the complainers, and, as you say Don, there's always folks who find immigrants interesting people to meet and talk to and play music with! John |
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